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Post by happyhornet on Apr 7, 2024 10:11:16 GMT
Wouldn't common sense dictate that far fewer autistic kids were in mainstream education in the past? Many still aren't today. So you wouldn't have seen them at school. I'm not talking about seeing them at school. i'm talking diagnosis and record keeping - which were very much things in the nineties Again diagnostic techniques and systems have improved and there is more awareness in education and society than there was in the 90s. Yours truly left school in 1994 without anyone even mentioning the word autism to me despite family and friends often referring to me as different, unique, eccentric etc. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 7, 2024 10:16:07 GMT
I'm not talking about seeing them at school. i'm talking diagnosis and record keeping - which were very much things in the nineties Again diagnostic techniques and systems have improved and there is more awareness in education and society than there was in the 90s. I am talking about severe cases in which the subtleties of any changes in diagnostic technique would not have been an issue. My argument is the diagnostic theory is only a fit for explaining the rise in the more subtle, less disabling forms. However, the rise is across the board |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 10:17:14 GMT
It falls into the category of common sense. If you find it plausible that ten-hundreds of thousands of people were 'hidden' in western countries during the sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties, perhaps you could give some detail on how this record-less internment was achieved? Additionally, as far as I know, the prevalence is still rising. What you say is implausible was exactly how it was and still is today. Someone say knows someone who is autistic and is a decent person and befriends an autistic person feels they would suffer social black marks for doing so from other people. They won't include them in a group for fear they too might be excluded from the group. For example, in the world of work someone has a job, meets an autistic person who is extremely skilful and they know their firm needs such a person and they could get them a job, but this will never happen because by doing that it would jeopardise their own employment security. That's the insipid evil you get in society that not only do people like to punish autistic people but punish the ones who help them! Obviously the autistic person knows full well what is going on because it happens every time, and it become a point where they say fuck you. I'm going to get that piece of my life back denied to me. Everyone has money except the autistic person. This is where shit happens and the prisons are full of them. They are the ones who have just had all they can take and treated so shit that prison is no worse, so they just don't give a fuck and hate normal people, but those in the same boat will be best of friends.
That's how crazy our people are. They just don't know they are such cunts and then cry when they get their comeuppance. There was one guy I met like that who has managed in a car to smash up at least 20 police cars. It's almost the stuff of Hollywood (Blues Brothers car chase) but that's what it means to not give a fuck literally. All coppers are fair game. I think there was one in a council car park as well in the papers where he took a dislike to councillors and smashed every one of their cars up. How liberating.
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 7, 2024 11:26:47 GMT
As you stated you are criticised at work for not showing initiative in work. I'd agree that criticism is justified , your words ''when asked'' and ''spare capacity'' '' job being paid to do'' are just three examples of that lack of initiative Autistic people have more initiative than normal people and can easily manage themselves. The problem is the manager expects stuff that the manager does not say he expects. This is because normal people have a more intuitive approach where a lot of stuff is so-called automatic, and guided by non-verbal cues, which autistic people just don't get, hence it is a communication problem, like most problems between the two groups. It gets even worse when the manager suddenly gets it into his head that the autistic person is taking the piss or otherwise lazy. What utter rubbish Another poster has already posted that he is unfairly (in his opinion) criticised for lack of initiative at work when only working within his job description and does not understand why 'normal'' people agree with the criticism. That poster has also stated that he will undertake extra work only if asked and only if he thinks he has ''spare'' capacity He has also previously stated that his employer has to make ''minor '' adjustments for him at work ( but went on radio silence when I twice asked the nature of these ''minor'' adjustments) None of this displays any initiative whatsoever, far from it, and only evidences that someone on the autistic spectrum bandwagon ( I agree with the poster who suggested that normality should also have a spectrum as it's all degrees of personality) requires constant supervision and handholding within a working environment . |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 7, 2024 11:33:07 GMT
The two things that you've touched on there are essentially the same: Autism and ADHD have become easier for clinicians to recognise because lots of people have them.
Which begs the question: Is it simply normal?
If we accept that Autism is a spectrum (as seems sensible) then it would seem that "Normal" is also a spectrum.
After all, we don't all view the world the same way. We have different politics, different religious beliefs, different ways of solving problems.
That I might look at a problem differently to you, be more or less socially awkward or better/worse at some tasks is not necessarily indicative of a condition on either side. It's just normal difference.
I would like to know why autism and ADHD are so prevalent in society today. Something is wrong with the environment, diet or even gestation. A lot of acquaintances I know who are teachers, have to literally bend over backwards for children with autism and ADHD, and continue to make "adjustments" for these kids, even if they are tearing up a classroom. So, it is a bit like what the OP states for adults in the workforce. It seems like today, a child who doesn't have autism or ADHD is in a minority, and they don't get all this special treatment. The special treatment is also funded to a certain degree but academically their results are often falling now matter how much time and money is placed into their 'needs'. It's money down the toilet when you have a D level kid who struggles, and puts 100% effort in during class. He or she won't get an extra pair of hands to help him in one on one situations because the child who refuses to do any school work whatsoever and would rather play with fidget toys gets all this time, money and effort ploughed into him because he is "neurodiverse" where as bang for buck would be better spent on pushing the willing struggler from a D to C. Take the ability to claim welfare benefits, special treatment and ''protected'' employment rights out of autistic labelling and the rolling bandwagon would soon slow down to snail pace |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 11:45:37 GMT
Autistic people have more initiative than normal people and can easily manage themselves. The problem is the manager expects stuff that the manager does not say he expects. This is because normal people have a more intuitive approach where a lot of stuff is so-called automatic, and guided by non-verbal cues, which autistic people just don't get, hence it is a communication problem, like most problems between the two groups. It gets even worse when the manager suddenly gets it into his head that the autistic person is taking the piss or otherwise lazy. What utter rubbish Another poster has already posted that he is unfairly (in his opinion) criticised for lack of initiative at work when only working within his job description and does not understand why 'normal'' people agree with the criticism. That poster has also stated that he will undertake extra work only if asked and only if he thinks he has ''spare'' capacity He has also previously stated that his employer has to make ''minor '' adjustments for him at work ( but went on radio silence when I twice asked the nature of these ''minor'' adjustments) None of this displays any initiative whatsoever, far from it, and only evidences that someone on the autistic spectrum bandwagon ( I agree with the poster who suggested that normality should also have a spectrum as it's all degrees of personality) requires constant supervision and handholding within a working environment . Have you ever seen the film I'm alright Jack? The plot is that as a highly intelligent autistic-looking young chap from Oxford turns up at this factory works as trainee management. The factory makes toilets and is heavily unionised with a Red Robbo type calling the workers out on strike for the smallest changes in working practices. This trainee get to work as a self starter, taking his initiative on how the factory should be run. He conducts time and motion studies and works out all sorts of inefficiencies in the operation, where he finds for this or that process it could be done by one man rather than three and so on. All the workers look at him with utter contempt as the us and them kind of view and the whole factory collapses into chaos. That's a comical illustration of why autistic people have to be watched. They will take their own initiative alright, but it won't be what you expect as normal. So it is damned if you don't take initiative and damned if you do. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 7, 2024 11:55:23 GMT
Autistic people have more initiative than normal people and can easily manage themselves. What utter rubbish Another poster has already posted that he is unfairly (in his opinion) criticised for lack of initiative at work when only working within his job description and does not understand why 'normal'' people agree with the criticism. That poster has also stated that he will undertake extra work only if asked and only if he thinks he has ''spare'' capacity He has also previously stated that his employer has to make ''minor '' adjustments for him at work ( but went on radio silence when I twice asked the nature of these ''minor'' adjustments) None of this displays any initiative whatsoever, far from it, and only evidences that someone on the autistic spectrum bandwagon ( I agree with the poster who suggested that normality should also have a spectrum as it's all degrees of personality) requires constant supervision and handholding within a working environment . Have you ever seen the film I'm alright Jack? The plot is that as a highly intelligent autistic-looking young chap from Oxford turns up at this factory works as trainee management. The factory makes toilets and is heavily unionised with a Red Robbo type calling the workers out on strike for the smallest changes in working practices. This trainee get to work as a self starter, taking his initiative on how the factory should be run. He conducts time and motion studies and works out all sorts of inefficiencies in the operation, where he finds for this or that process it could be done by one man rather than three and so on. All the workers look at him with utter contempt as the us and them kind of view and the whole factory collapses into chaos. That's a comical illustration of why autistic people have to be watched. They will take their own initiative alright, but it won't be what you expect as normal. So it is damned if you don't take initiative and damned if you do. Nope , but just googled it and it's irrelevant It's a Peter Sellars/Ian Carmichael comedy and not a single mention of autism in any review I can find of it “The best of the Boultings’ warm, vulgar, affectionate satires... the film blazes into life with the arrival of Sellers’ Stalinist Don Quixote, tilting with alarming predictability at the windmills constructed by his class enemies.” timeout.com As Britain emerged from post-war austerity in the 1950s, director John Boulting and his producer brother Roy wrung comedy from changing times in a series of films poking fun at various institutions. Their targets included the army in Private’s Progress (1956) and higher education in Lucky Jim (1957), but the most successful was this witty study of industrial relations. Ian Carmichael stars as a doltish aristocrat caught between his crooked factory-owning uncle (Dennis Price) and Peter Sellers’ Soviet-worshipping shop steward. The Boultings gleefully highlight idiocies on both sides. Their neutrality has been criticised as evasive, but it certainly gives scope for the splendid British character actors at their disposal – not least comic icon Terry Thomas as a silver-tongued personnel manager. Although it’s nominally based on a short story by Alan Hackney, the film reunites many of the cast and characters from the Boultings’ 1956 army comedy Private’s Progress. www.bfi.org.uk/film/11d68372-994f-5d24-be4e-b6f92b429b34/im-all-right-jack |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 11:56:02 GMT
Autistic people have more initiative than normal people and can easily manage themselves. What utter rubbish Another poster has already posted that he is unfairly (in his opinion) criticised for lack of initiative at work when only working within his job description and does not understand why 'normal'' people agree with the criticism. That poster has also stated that he will undertake extra work only if asked and only if he thinks he has ''spare'' capacity He has also previously stated that his employer has to make ''minor '' adjustments for him at work ( but went on radio silence when I twice asked the nature of these ''minor'' adjustments) None of this displays any initiative whatsoever, far from it, and only evidences that someone on the autistic spectrum bandwagon ( I agree with the poster who suggested that normality should also have a spectrum as it's all degrees of personality) requires constant supervision and handholding within a working environment . Have you ever seen the film I'm alright Jack? The plot is that as a highly intelligent autistic-looking young chap from Oxford turns up at this factory works as trainee management. The factory makes toilets and is heavily unionised with a Red Robbo type calling the workers out on strike for the smallest changes in working practices. This trainee get to work as a self starter, taking his initiative on how the factory should be run. He conducts time and motion studies and works out all sorts of inefficiencies in the operation, where he finds for this or that process it could be done by one man rather than three and so on. All the workers look at him with utter contempt as the us and them kind of view and the whole factory collapses into chaos. That's a comical illustration of why autistic people have to be watched. They will take their own initiative alright, but it won't be what you expect as normal. So it is damned if you don't take initiative and damned if you do. Are you saying that the films narrative tells you that the other workers were unaware that there was a better way to do the job? I suspect the films premise has gone over your head . |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 11:57:19 GMT
Have you ever seen the film I'm alright Jack? The plot is that as a highly intelligent autistic-looking young chap from Oxford turns up at this factory works as trainee management. The factory makes toilets and is heavily unionised with a Red Robbo type calling the workers out on strike for the smallest changes in working practices. This trainee get to work as a self starter, taking his initiative on how the factory should be run. He conducts time and motion studies and works out all sorts of inefficiencies in the operation, where he finds for this or that process it could be done by one man rather than three and so on. All the workers look at him with utter contempt as the us and them kind of view and the whole factory collapses into chaos. That's a comical illustration of why autistic people have to be watched. They will take their own initiative alright, but it won't be what you expect as normal. So it is damned if you don't take initiative and damned if you do. Nope , but just googled it and it's irrelevant It's a Peter Sellars/Ian Carmichael comedy and not a single mention of autism in any review I can find of it “The best of the Boultings’ warm, vulgar, affectionate satires... the film blazes into life with the arrival of Sellers’ Stalinist Don Quixote, tilting with alarming predictability at the windmills constructed by his class enemies.” timeout.com As Britain emerged from post-war austerity in the 1950s, director John Boulting and his producer brother Roy wrung comedy from changing times in a series of films poking fun at various institutions. Their targets included the army in Private’s Progress (1956) and higher education in Lucky Jim (1957), but the most successful was this witty study of industrial relations. Ian Carmichael stars as a doltish aristocrat caught between his crooked factory-owning uncle (Dennis Price) and Peter Sellers’ Soviet-worshipping shop steward. The Boultings gleefully highlight idiocies on both sides. Their neutrality has been criticised as evasive, but it certainly gives scope for the splendid British character actors at their disposal – not least comic icon Terry Thomas as a silver-tongued personnel manager. Although it’s nominally based on a short story by Alan Hackney, the film reunites many of the cast and characters from the Boultings’ 1956 army comedy Private’s Progress. www.bfi.org.uk/film/11d68372-994f-5d24-be4e-b6f92b429b34/im-all-right-jackHe’s made up his own interpretation of the narrative and posted it as the authentic one . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 12:02:17 GMT
Have you ever seen the film I'm alright Jack? The plot is that as a highly intelligent autistic-looking young chap from Oxford turns up at this factory works as trainee management. The factory makes toilets and is heavily unionised with a Red Robbo type calling the workers out on strike for the smallest changes in working practices. This trainee get to work as a self starter, taking his initiative on how the factory should be run. He conducts time and motion studies and works out all sorts of inefficiencies in the operation, where he finds for this or that process it could be done by one man rather than three and so on. All the workers look at him with utter contempt as the us and them kind of view and the whole factory collapses into chaos. That's a comical illustration of why autistic people have to be watched. They will take their own initiative alright, but it won't be what you expect as normal. So it is damned if you don't take initiative and damned if you do. Nope , but just googled it and it's irrelevant It's a Peter Sellars/Ian Carmichael comedy and not a single mention of autism in any review I can find of it “The best of the Boultings’ warm, vulgar, affectionate satires... the film blazes into life with the arrival of Sellers’ Stalinist Don Quixote, tilting with alarming predictability at the windmills constructed by his class enemies.” timeout.com As Britain emerged from post-war austerity in the 1950s, director John Boulting and his producer brother Roy wrung comedy from changing times in a series of films poking fun at various institutions. Their targets included the army in Private’s Progress (1956) and higher education in Lucky Jim (1957), but the most successful was this witty study of industrial relations. Ian Carmichael stars as a doltish aristocrat caught between his crooked factory-owning uncle (Dennis Price) and Peter Sellers’ Soviet-worshipping shop steward. The Boultings gleefully highlight idiocies on both sides. Their neutrality has been criticised as evasive, but it certainly gives scope for the splendid British character actors at their disposal – not least comic icon Terry Thomas as a silver-tongued personnel manager. Although it’s nominally based on a short story by Alan Hackney, the film reunites many of the cast and characters from the Boultings’ 1956 army comedy Private’s Progress. www.bfi.org.uk/film/11d68372-994f-5d24-be4e-b6f92b429b34/im-all-right-jackWhat a bloody awful write-up. No you can't tell from that whether it is relevant or not, but it is exactly this point you confused above. The autistic person is often brilliant at systemising things, but terrible at understanding human emotion. It's a brilliant film by the way. This chap organises the factory in the way an autistic mind would see as correct. The union men are entirely emotional beasts and are totally feckless regarding industrial production, just trying to do the minimum work they can get away with. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 7, 2024 12:19:14 GMT
Nope , but just googled it and it's irrelevant It's a Peter Sellars/Ian Carmichael comedy and not a single mention of autism in any review I can find of it “The best of the Boultings’ warm, vulgar, affectionate satires... the film blazes into life with the arrival of Sellers’ Stalinist Don Quixote, tilting with alarming predictability at the windmills constructed by his class enemies.” timeout.com As Britain emerged from post-war austerity in the 1950s, director John Boulting and his producer brother Roy wrung comedy from changing times in a series of films poking fun at various institutions. Their targets included the army in Private’s Progress (1956) and higher education in Lucky Jim (1957), but the most successful was this witty study of industrial relations. Ian Carmichael stars as a doltish aristocrat caught between his crooked factory-owning uncle (Dennis Price) and Peter Sellers’ Soviet-worshipping shop steward. The Boultings gleefully highlight idiocies on both sides. Their neutrality has been criticised as evasive, but it certainly gives scope for the splendid British character actors at their disposal – not least comic icon Terry Thomas as a silver-tongued personnel manager. Although it’s nominally based on a short story by Alan Hackney, the film reunites many of the cast and characters from the Boultings’ 1956 army comedy Private’s Progress. www.bfi.org.uk/film/11d68372-994f-5d24-be4e-b6f92b429b34/im-all-right-jackWhat a bloody awful write-up. No you can't tell from that whether it is relevant or not, but it is exactly this point you confused above. The autistic person is often brilliant at systemising things, but terrible at understanding human emotion. It's a brilliant film by the way. This chap organises the factory in the way an autistic mind would see as correct. The union men are entirely emotional beasts and are totally feckless regarding industrial production, just trying to do the minimum work they can get away with. It's a comedy film (and every review I found said the same) Your failure to admit that you made up your interpretation is akin to a nonsensical article (by another autism bandwagon jumper) that Jane Austen was to be congratulated for including an ''autistic '' character , Mr Darcy, in Pride and Prejudice Just looked at the Amazon review of the book the comedy film is based on - not a single mention of autism there either After an undistinguished career at Oxford, Stanley Windrush wanders from one escapade to another in the world of paid employment. The unwitting cause of an international furore in his indefinable role at the Foreign Office, he soon loses more jobs in the world of industry. He swiftly decides to take up a post as an unskilled worker - to be 'one of the chaps that reap the benefit', as his uncle advises - where his naive dealings with the trade unions only cause more trouble for everyone. Originally released in 1958 as Private Life, the follow-up to Private's Progress, the novel was swiftly made into a popular film, I'm All Right Jack. 'Funny, critical and good-tempered, all at the same time and apparently without the slightest effort.' The Times 'Wonderfully funny.' Sunday Express 'Brilliantly funny.' Manchester Evening News 'Extremely funny.' Manchester Guardian
www.amazon.co.uk/All-Right-Jack-Alan-Hackney/dp/0571277381
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 7, 2024 12:22:20 GMT
It falls into the category of common sense. If you find it plausible that ten-hundreds of thousands of people were 'hidden' in western countries during the sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties, perhaps you could give some detail on how this record-less internment was achieved? Additionally, as far as I know, the prevalence is still rising. What you say is implausible was exactly how it was and still is today. Someone say knows someone who is autistic and is a decent person and befriends an autistic person feels they would suffer social black marks for doing so from other people. They won't include them in a group for fear they too might be excluded from the group. For example, in the world of work someone has a job, meets an autistic person who is extremely skilful and they know their firm needs such a person and they could get them a job, but this will never happen because by doing that it would jeopardise their own employment security. That's the insipid evil you get in society that not only do people like to punish autistic people but punish the ones who help them! Obviously the autistic person knows full well what is going on because it happens every time, and it become a point where they say fuck you. I'm going to get that piece of my life back denied to me. Everyone has money except the autistic person. This is where shit happens and the prisons are full of them. They are the ones who have just had all they can take and treated so shit that prison is no worse, so they just don't give a fuck and hate normal people, but those in the same boat will be best of friends.
That's how crazy our people are. They just don't know they are such cunts and then cry when they get their comeuppance. There was one guy I met like that who has managed in a car to smash up at least 20 police cars. It's almost the stuff of Hollywood (Blues Brothers car chase) but that's what it means to not give a fuck literally. All coppers are fair game. I think there was one in a council car park as well in the papers where he took a dislike to councillors and smashed every one of their cars up. How liberating.
Based on my own observations one of the negative neurotypical behaviour traits I mentioned earlier appears to be difficulty in accepting difference. I'm not saying that there are no intolerant autistic people, of course there are, there's even an Asperger's supremacist movement FFS. But overall I have found that autistic people tend to accept naturally occurring differences in people with little or no fuss. I'd like to see some research into this but doubt it will ever happen. |
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 7, 2024 12:27:40 GMT
Autistic people have more initiative than normal people and can easily manage themselves. The problem is the manager expects stuff that the manager does not say he expects. This is because normal people have a more intuitive approach where a lot of stuff is so-called automatic, and guided by non-verbal cues, which autistic people just don't get, hence it is a communication problem, like most problems between the two groups. It gets even worse when the manager suddenly gets it into his head that the autistic person is taking the piss or otherwise lazy. What utter rubbish Another poster has already posted that he is unfairly (in his opinion) criticised for lack of initiative at work when only working within his job description and does not understand why 'normal'' people agree with the criticism. That poster has also stated that he will undertake extra work only if asked and only if he thinks he has ''spare'' capacity He has also previously stated that his employer has to make ''minor '' adjustments for him at work ( but went on radio silence when I twice asked the nature of these ''minor'' adjustments) None of this displays any initiative whatsoever, far from it, and only evidences that someone on the autistic spectrum bandwagon ( I agree with the poster who suggested that normality should also have a spectrum as it's all degrees of personality) requires constant supervision and handholding within a working environment . What benefit would there be in me taking on extra work if I don't have the capacity for it? The work either wouldn't get done or would be delivered to a questionable standard. I've no problem talking about the minor adjustments I've requested at work, to have any tasks assigned to me confirmed in an email or teams message and to have an assigned desk. I don't require constant supervision and hand holding, on the contrary I work best when I'm assigned a clear task and am then left to get on with it. |
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 7, 2024 12:38:14 GMT
Nope , but just googled it and it's irrelevant It's a Peter Sellars/Ian Carmichael comedy and not a single mention of autism in any review I can find of it “The best of the Boultings’ warm, vulgar, affectionate satires... the film blazes into life with the arrival of Sellers’ Stalinist Don Quixote, tilting with alarming predictability at the windmills constructed by his class enemies.” timeout.com As Britain emerged from post-war austerity in the 1950s, director John Boulting and his producer brother Roy wrung comedy from changing times in a series of films poking fun at various institutions. Their targets included the army in Private’s Progress (1956) and higher education in Lucky Jim (1957), but the most successful was this witty study of industrial relations. Ian Carmichael stars as a doltish aristocrat caught between his crooked factory-owning uncle (Dennis Price) and Peter Sellers’ Soviet-worshipping shop steward. The Boultings gleefully highlight idiocies on both sides. Their neutrality has been criticised as evasive, but it certainly gives scope for the splendid British character actors at their disposal – not least comic icon Terry Thomas as a silver-tongued personnel manager. Although it’s nominally based on a short story by Alan Hackney, the film reunites many of the cast and characters from the Boultings’ 1956 army comedy Private’s Progress. www.bfi.org.uk/film/11d68372-994f-5d24-be4e-b6f92b429b34/im-all-right-jackWhat a bloody awful write-up. No you can't tell from that whether it is relevant or not, but it is exactly this point you confused above. The autistic person is often brilliant at systemising things, but terrible at understanding human emotion. It's a brilliant film by the way. This chap organises the factory in the way an autistic mind would see as correct. The union men are entirely emotional beasts and are totally feckless regarding industrial production, just trying to do the minimum work they can get away with. Again based on just my own observations neurotypical thinking does seem to be driven more by preconception and emotion whereas autistic people seem to have more logic and fact driven thinking. What's interesting is that it's always assumed that the fault lies with the neurodivergent person. I've heard some less charitable autistics joke before that if it wasn't for the autistic gene the human race would still be living in caves arguing about their feelings. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 7, 2024 12:49:52 GMT
I would like to know why autism and ADHD are so prevalent in society today. Something is wrong with the environment, diet or even gestation. A lot of acquaintances I know who are teachers, have to literally bend over backwards for children with autism and ADHD, and continue to make "adjustments" for these kids, even if they are tearing up a classroom. So, it is a bit like what the OP states for adults in the workforce. It seems like today, a child who doesn't have autism or ADHD is in a minority, and they don't get all this special treatment. The special treatment is also funded to a certain degree but academically their results are often falling now matter how much time and money is placed into their 'needs'. It's money down the toilet when you have a D level kid who struggles, and puts 100% effort in during class. He or she won't get an extra pair of hands to help him in one on one situations because the child who refuses to do any school work whatsoever and would rather play with fidget toys gets all this time, money and effort ploughed into him because he is "neurodiverse" where as bang for buck would be better spent on pushing the willing struggler from a D to C. Have you considered that autism and ADHD isn't more prevalent today it just seems that way because we have a better understanding of it and more people are being diagnosed and there is less social stigma attached to it so people are more comfortable openly discussing it? My eldest has had some of the special treatment you bemoan and as a result he is now performing academically at the expected standard of a kid his age across all subjects. Neurodivergent kids attending mainstream school also helps them to develop social skills and strategies which will help their employment prospects in adult life which benefits society as a whole. I'd also add that autistic adults make allowances for negative neurotypical behavioural traits and expend huge amounts of emotional and physical energy every day to mask for the benefit of neurotypical people, to make them more comfortable. I don't think that asking for a bit of reciprocation is hugely unreasonable. Yeah, so when a neurodivergent child starts smashing up a classroom because one of his/her peers looked at him the wrong way, the educational rights of the 26 other kids and the teacher go out the window. This is one of the reasons many teachers are leaving the profession. "Inclusion" comes at everyone else's expense. |
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