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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 2:36:47 GMT
I heard this figure a while back in a medical lecture given by an academic, and I could not quite believe it, but lately I was listening to someone talking on Youtube and they mentioned the same stat.
This seems really crazy to me. It's not as if autistic people can't work. Some of their work is brilliant, like Einstein was apparently autistic and he did a huge amount of work. What seems to be the problem is to do with the way autistic people handle information. With an autistic person, a bit of information enters the head and the brain does a lot of processing on it. I mean say something to a normal person like would you like to meet for lunch and the normal person would give it a fleeting thought and reply, where its like in an autistic brain it take a bit of information and considers it to a lot greater depth. The brain is running through all the different permutations, the what ifs, and they may well give a more accurate answer, but in normal social situations this is odd and does not meet with people's expectations. It's because the other people think the autistic brain thinks like their brain that they misinterpret to a large extent.
Anyhow in a work environment, this busy interaction which is multiplied by the amount of brain processing on each thing said, just overwhelms the brain, and this then leads to poor performance, as in burnout. Surely then instead of sacking these people it might be better to employ them in such roles as checking important decisions, like say due diligence checks before the firm does a deal and that kind of thing. The obsessive attention to detail would be a very valuable thing. Give them a specific job title of fuckup avoidance engineers.
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2024 13:24:21 GMT
I have tried to alert you to this before, but you ignored me.I feel you have an over romanticised view an autism.
Many people with autism, far from possessing special super-powers, are genuinely handicapped by the condition - ie they are have seriously impaired function
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 13:33:06 GMT
I have tried to alert you to this before, but you ignored me.I feel you have an over romanticised view an autism. Many people with autism, far from possessing special super-powers, are genuinely handicapped by the condition - ie they are have seriously impaired function What exactly does impaired function mean? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2024 17:44:58 GMT
This reminds me of the people who can’t read or write well telling us that they are dyslexic. So they must be intelligent.😁
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 18:30:40 GMT
This reminds me of the people who can’t read or write well telling us that they are dyslexic. So they must be intelligent.😁 The problem here is vague ill-defined notions. Some people scrutinise stuff and some make sweeping statements. It appear to me the problem autistic people have is the normal people who are inclined to use generalisations cause the autistic people problems because their generalisations lead to solutions that don't work. You get people thinking along the lines of, well if a dog barks and has four legs, that implies a cat must bark as well. Do you remember Mr Logic from Viz? It was a humorous illustration of this problem.
The thing is that the current thinking is autism is not a disease, but just a different evolutionary path regarding brain evolution. Their brains work differently, this gives different strengths and weaknesses relative to normal people but an observed weakness is wrongly used as a proxy to suggest weakness all round. Brains do a lot of different functions and are roughly the same size, so it is a case of what it specialises in. The physical anatomy of the brain is different in autistic people. They can not learn to be normal.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2024 19:00:04 GMT
This reminds me of the people who can’t read or write well telling us that they are dyslexic. So they must be intelligent.😁 The problem here is vague ill-defined notions. Some people scrutinise stuff and some make sweeping statements. It appear to me the problem autistic people have is the normal people who are inclined to use generalisations cause the autistic people problems because their generalisations lead to solutions that don't work. You get people thinking along the lines of, well if a dog barks and has four legs, that implies a cat must bark as well. Do you remember Mr Logic from Viz? It was a humorous illustration of this problem.
The thing is that the current thinking is autism is not a disease, but just a different evolutionary path regarding brain evolution. Their brains work differently, this gives different strengths and weaknesses relative to normal people but an observed weakness is wrongly used as a proxy to suggest weakness all round. Brains do a lot of different functions and are roughly the same size, so it is a case of what it specialises in. The physical anatomy of the brain is different in autistic people. They can not learn to be normal.
A different evolutionary path regarding ‘ brain evolution’? Evolution is a mechanism of survival not improvement . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 20:41:48 GMT
The problem here is vague ill-defined notions. Some people scrutinise stuff and some make sweeping statements. It appear to me the problem autistic people have is the normal people who are inclined to use generalisations cause the autistic people problems because their generalisations lead to solutions that don't work. You get people thinking along the lines of, well if a dog barks and has four legs, that implies a cat must bark as well. Do you remember Mr Logic from Viz? It was a humorous illustration of this problem.
The thing is that the current thinking is autism is not a disease, but just a different evolutionary path regarding brain evolution. Their brains work differently, this gives different strengths and weaknesses relative to normal people but an observed weakness is wrongly used as a proxy to suggest weakness all round. Brains do a lot of different functions and are roughly the same size, so it is a case of what it specialises in. The physical anatomy of the brain is different in autistic people. They can not learn to be normal.
A different evolutionary path regarding ‘ brain evolution’? Evolution is a mechanism of survival not improvement . Each type of organism has certain traits to help it survive which are better than average. You could say that about different parts of the brain. Some people have very good hearing and perfect pitch, where others might have far better ability in the visual sense. Autistic people have an enhanced ability to calculate stuff, at the expense of other brain functions. Language ability is often compromised. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2024 20:54:27 GMT
A different evolutionary path regarding ‘ brain evolution’? Evolution is a mechanism of survival not improvement . Each type of organism has certain traits to help it survive which are better than average. You could say that about different parts of the brain. Some people have very good hearing and perfect pitch, where others might have far better ability in the visual sense. Autistic people have an enhanced ability to calculate stuff, at the expense of other brain functions. Language ability is often compromised. Yes but that doesn’t refute my point and not all Autistic people can calculate stuff better than others . In fact some are severely handicapped by it. You are merely repeating a trope. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 22:02:31 GMT
Each type of organism has certain traits to help it survive which are better than average. You could say that about different parts of the brain. Some people have very good hearing and perfect pitch, where others might have far better ability in the visual sense. Autistic people have an enhanced ability to calculate stuff, at the expense of other brain functions. Language ability is often compromised. Yes but that doesn’t refute my point and not all Autistic people can calculate stuff better than others . In fact some are severely handicapped by it. You are merely repeating a trope. If I had meant that I would have said every autistic person can calculate better than any normal person. As you should know by now the ability is a probability distribution curve, similar in shape to a normal curve. You get a similar distribution curve with the autistic group but shifted to the right, hence why I said they can do it better. I was talking about the group.
The standard taxonomy describes autism as a spectrum. They used to define Aspenger's separately, but lumped it in with what they call autism now, or to use the trendy terminology, they are now "on the spectrum". They further delineate into two groups which are called high functioning autism and low functioning autism, but this seem a a bit arbitrary.Right at the low end there are cases where you have adults with very low mental ages, so they are all round very dysfunctional. The thing is the condition is not fully understood. These very low intelligence people might have other complications. Maybe it is inbreeding or something.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 4, 2024 23:00:09 GMT
I have tried to alert you to this before, but you ignored me.I feel you have an over romanticised view an autism. Many people with autism, far from possessing special super-powers, are genuinely handicapped by the condition - ie they are have seriously impaired function What exactly does impaired function mean? Non-verbal. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 23:07:03 GMT
What exactly does impaired function mean? Non-verbal. Sorry what? Are you saying they can't speak? |
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2024 23:08:50 GMT
A different evolutionary path regarding ‘ brain evolution’? Evolution is a mechanism of survival not improvement . Autistic people have an enhanced ability to calculate stuff, at the expense of other brain functions. Incorrect. Not sure how many times this has to be said. There are a small number of startling people with the condition, who appear to have superhuman and narrow abilities. However, generally, the condition does not come with such super-powers and can have some pretty dramatic drawbacks |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 4, 2024 23:11:04 GMT
Sorry what? Are you saying they can't speak? Some can't. That is one example of an impaired function you asked of. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 4, 2024 23:19:39 GMT
Autistic people have an enhanced ability to calculate stuff, at the expense of other brain functions. Incorrect. Not sure how many times this has to be said. There are a small number of startling people with the condition, who appear to have superhuman and narrow abilities. However, generally, the condition does not come with such super-powers and can have some pretty dramatic drawbacks I know exactly what it is because I have seen the scientific papers on it with the graphs plotting these traits. I suggest you look a bit closer since all I'm doing here is explaining peer reviewed science. I did link the data a while back but it was ignored. The density of neurons in the frontal cortex is significantly higher. It is quite clear what is going on. What is not clear is the majority of employers don't seem to have a bloody clue, nor teachers or anyone else except odd smart person. Those who do know what is going on see that the more demanding the job is in the technical sense the higher the proportion of autistic people. ASML has a special club for them since so many of their employees are on the spectrum. ASML are probably the most advanced engineering firm in the world. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 5, 2024 0:34:41 GMT
Thinks we
Since
Nothing
Is
That life, to us, must be
Lived in growing infancy?
Or do the comforts of a role well-played and fitting to the tribe
O'come all wonder and do bribe the sense to follow what the mass accept?
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