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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:19:51 GMT
Ok.
What i do agree with is there wont be anothr brexit ref so soon after westmisnter getting its fingers burned the last time . Certainly keirstarmer and labour are famously anti referendums ,unless of course ,they can pre determine the result.
Thats why i keep saying if labour get in they will take the uk back into the eu by stealth , as they are too cowardly to face the electorate on their pro european principles. This of course i think will be a disaster.
real politik the real politik as i have told you before is do brexiters trust labour enough to vote them into power? i personally dont think so. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:23:11 GMT
so in short , you insinuate you want northern ireland to stop brexit or at least hamper it , and further down the line you are going to give it away or support reunification anyway?
Stroppy bad loser much?
That is complete gibberish hashed up in your imagination whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 14:31:06 GMT
Their position? The position that we are no longer members of the EU isn’t really disputable. No silly, that it was a good idea Well once again I’ll use the comparison of a person divorcing an abusive spouse . The spouses family will be blaming them and claiming that the spouse was not abusive and is being maligned . In the meantime the person is trying to adjust into a new environment . What we do know is that more people were dissatisfied with the EU than were happy to stay . Thats the reality. The rest is assumptions and accusations . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 3, 2022 14:40:23 GMT
That is complete gibberish hashed up in your imagination whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
There's a presumption there that Brexit will be a big factor in the next GE. Personally I don't think it will be. Either the economy or services will dominate. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:42:42 GMT
whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
There's a presumption there that Brexit will be a big factor in the next GE. Personally I don't think it will be. Either the economy or services will dominate. ok perhaps you are correct. I see no reason to believe that either brexit , scot or irish indy , nor other issues like imigration wont have a major part to play . Some people believe normal service will resume. I dont.
We will see soon enough.
do brexiters trust keir starmer enough to vote him?
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Post by see2 on Nov 3, 2022 14:44:52 GMT
That is complete gibberish hashed up in your imagination whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
I don't have an "extremely stroppy opinion" gibberish is gibberish and deserves to be described as such. Nor do I have either the desire or the ability to "damage/hamper" Brexit. STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT ME. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 14:46:19 GMT
the real politik as i have told you before is do brexiters trust labour enough to vote them into power? i personally dont think so. Could be an issue IF Labour make any official statements (especially the next GE manifesto) other than we have to make Brexit work. They're not going to do that. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 14:49:26 GMT
No silly, that it was a good idea Well once again I’ll use the comparison of a person divorcing an abusive spouse . The spouses family will be blaming them and claiming that the spouse was not abusive and is being maligned . In the meantime the person is trying to adjust into a new environment . What we do know is that more people were dissatisfied with the EU than were happy to stay . Thats the reality. The rest is assumptions and accusations . But the polls consistently show high levels of 'it was a mistake' . It's not a factor in serious UK politics now and probably won't be for a fair while but ignore it and you could end up losing your prize. Remember 'remain' politicians ignored the polls pointing the other way for a decade before 2016. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:50:07 GMT
whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
I don't have an "extremely stroppy opinion" gibberish is gibberish and deserves to be described as such. Nor do I have either the desire or the ability to "damage/hamper" Brexit. STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT ME. here we go , every forum has its individuals playing last wordism to save face after making fools of themselves.
If you cant see how contradictory , and of course petulant , it is to tell adults one minute you value northern ireland enough that brexiters have to accept they are an achillies heel in brexit ,( with the insinuation you are smirking about damage to or hampering of brexit) while the next telling us you support them reunifying with the republic , then im at a loss.
You either arent the brightest or you are merely trolling.
Using the quote tags , please quote me where i have told a lie about you. If you cant , we can then once again dismiss you as posting nonsense.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:53:32 GMT
the real politik as i have told you before is do brexiters trust labour enough to vote them into power? i personally dont think so. Could be an issue IF Labour make any official statements (especially the next GE manifesto) other than we have to make Brexit work. They're not going to do that. They dont have to make any official statement for voters to trust/mistrust them on brexit. I keep telling you the damage is done , and the anti democratic behaviour of labour and its leader starmer in particular fresh in the minds of voters.
That why i have repeatedly said labour couldnt have picked a worse leader in the aftermath of brexit with worse baggage than starmer . Hence my question do brexiters trust him enough ?
Of course they want to dust brexit under the carpet. Its the same i nscotland , they avoid the constitutional elephant in the room at all cost as they cant deal with either !
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 14:56:35 GMT
Voters trust him a whole lot more than they ever trusted Corbyn and he nearly won that 2017 election.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 15:00:53 GMT
Well once again I’ll use the comparison of a person divorcing an abusive spouse . The spouses family will be blaming them and claiming that the spouse was not abusive and is being maligned . In the meantime the person is trying to adjust into a new environment . What we do know is that more people were dissatisfied with the EU than were happy to stay . Thats the reality. The rest is assumptions and accusations . But the polls consistently show high levels of 'it was a mistake' . It's not a factor in serious UK politics now and probably won't be for a fair while but ignore it and you could end up losing your prize. Remember 'remain' politicians ignored the polls pointing the other way for a decade before 2016. Yes some people are not sure that they made the right decision when they leave their abusive spouses . Especially if the in laws are constantly whining and unforeseen external factors have arisen since the divorce . |
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Post by see2 on Nov 3, 2022 15:07:13 GMT
I don't have an "extremely stroppy opinion" gibberish is gibberish and deserves to be described as such. Nor do I have either the desire or the ability to "damage/hamper" Brexit. STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT ME. here we go , every forum has its individuals playing last wordism to save face after making fools of themselves.
If you cant see how contradictory , and of course petulant , it is to tell adults one minute you value northern ireland enough that brexiters have to accept they are an achillies heel in brexit ,( with the insinuation you are smirking about damage to or hampering of brexit) while the next telling us you support them reunifying with the republic , then im at a loss.
You either arent the brightest or you are merely trolling.
Using the quote tags , please quote me where i have told a lie about you. If you cant , we can then once again dismiss you as posting nonsense.
I NEVER SAID THAT BREXITERS "have to accept they are (NI are) an achillies heel in brexit". My comment on Ireland was that I THOUGHT it might be Brexit's Achillies Heel. You clearly do not read my posts fully. I get the impression that your mind is focused on what you can say in reply before you have even fully read my post. Your lies were made clear in the post you replied to. Not being too bright or just trolling describes your posts quite accurately. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 3, 2022 15:10:45 GMT
whats gibberish about pointing out your extremely stroppy opinion? You want to use a constituent part of the uk to "damage/hamper" brexit that you also support giving away?
i would call that severe petulance.
You continually make yourself out as some reasoned voter and upholder of all that is light and truth , but your posts reflect badly on your petulant arrogance and bad tempered attitude to losing in 2016.
There's a presumption there that Brexit will be a big factor in the next GE. Personally I don't think it will be. Either the economy or services will dominate. The last thing on normal peoples mind is Brexit. It's done and dusted move on FFS. You had your fun after 2016 to when Boris got in and had to pay the price. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:17:05 GMT
Voters trust him a whole lot more than they ever trusted Corbyn and he nearly won that 2017 election. ? You wont know that till starmer actually fights a general election. As i understand it , starmer has lost most of the members corbyn gained labour never mind nearly won a general election as corbyn did.
Starmer masterminded labours failure in the GE19 , not corbyn who he knifed at every turn.
I say that and i dont even support corbyn.
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