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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 19:03:58 GMT
Chain gangs” of offenders in hi-vis jackets will be deployed to clean up graffiti, fly-tipping and vandalism in England and Wales, the Justice Secretary has said. Alex Chalk said the rapid deployment teams, comprising people serving sentences in the community, will be expanded from pilot schemes to cover all 12 probation regions in England and Wales. They will pick up litter from roadsides, scrub graffiti from shopfronts and underpasses and maintain neighbourhood beauty spots within 48 hours of cases being reported to the probation service. Members of the public are being invited to nominate projects in their local area under the community payback scheme, under which offenders are in hi-vis jackets so the public can see that justice is being done. The pilots were launched as part of a crackdown on anti-social behaviour by Mr Chalk when he was a junior justice minister almost three years ago. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/22/chain-gangs-offenders-hi-vis-jackets-clean-graffiti/Great idea, I mean why not? I do however have one criticism, why is it restricted to people serving community sentences? Surely this should be extended to prisoners. Obviously not cat A or dangerous criminals, but there must be thousands of people in low level cat C prisons who would rather be doing menial work out in the community than banged up in a cell. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 26, 2024 19:06:15 GMT
Prisoners used to work in the local community doing pensioners gardens etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 19:07:49 GMT
Prisoners used to work in the local community doing pensioners gardens etc. They still do, Sheepy, and it's not just Cat C. I've seen them in the local town escorted by P.O.s |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
Young Offenders used to do that in the Council area I worked for, but the Probation Officers stopped it as some residents made a few remarks as they passed by When I drove through Romania on two occasions , they has chain gangs cleaning roadside drains out etc all dressed in nice Bright Pink overalls,  |
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Post by see2 on Mar 26, 2024 19:13:25 GMT
Chain gangs” of offenders in hi-vis jackets will be deployed to clean up graffiti, fly-tipping and vandalism in England and Wales, the Justice Secretary has said. Alex Chalk said the rapid deployment teams, comprising people serving sentences in the community, will be expanded from pilot schemes to cover all 12 probation regions in England and Wales. They will pick up litter from roadsides, scrub graffiti from shopfronts and underpasses and maintain neighbourhood beauty spots within 48 hours of cases being reported to the probation service. Members of the public are being invited to nominate projects in their local area under the community payback scheme, under which offenders are in hi-vis jackets so the public can see that justice is being done. The pilots were launched as part of a crackdown on anti-social behaviour by Mr Chalk when he was a junior justice minister almost three years ago. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/22/chain-gangs-offenders-hi-vis-jackets-clean-graffiti/Great idea, I mean why not? I do however have one criticism, why is it restricted to people serving community sentences? Surely this should be extended to prisoners. Obviously not cat A or dangerous criminals, but there must be thousands of people in low level cat C prisons who would rather be doing menial work out in the community than banged up in a cell. It looks as if they might be giving a few teeth to something that is already happening. -"Community sentences can be given if the criminal is convicted of a crime but are not sent to prison. The punishments involve doing unpaid work in the local community, like cleaning up a park."- |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 26, 2024 19:22:11 GMT
A rehash of community service then?
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 19:23:52 GMT
It looks as if they might be giving a few teeth to something that is already happening. -"Community sentences can be given if the criminal is convicted of a crime but are not sent to prison. The punishments involve doing unpaid work in the local community, like cleaning up a park."- Yes indeed it's a good idea, and it should be extended to unproductive bored prisoners who are banged up up in cells for 23 hours a day. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 19:24:44 GMT
A rehash of community service then? See above. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 26, 2024 19:29:33 GMT
Chain gangs” of offenders in hi-vis jackets will be deployed to clean up graffiti, fly-tipping and vandalism in England and Wales, the Justice Secretary has said. Alex Chalk said the rapid deployment teams, comprising people serving sentences in the community, will be expanded from pilot schemes to cover all 12 probation regions in England and Wales. They will pick up litter from roadsides, scrub graffiti from shopfronts and underpasses and maintain neighbourhood beauty spots within 48 hours of cases being reported to the probation service. Members of the public are being invited to nominate projects in their local area under the community payback scheme, under which offenders are in hi-vis jackets so the public can see that justice is being done. The pilots were launched as part of a crackdown on anti-social behaviour by Mr Chalk when he was a junior justice minister almost three years ago. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/22/chain-gangs-offenders-hi-vis-jackets-clean-graffiti/Great idea, I mean why not? I do however have one criticism, why is it restricted to people serving community sentences? Surely this should be extended to prisoners. Obviously not cat A or dangerous criminals, but there must be thousands of people in low level cat C prisons who would rather be doing menial work out in the community than banged up in a cell. It works in the USA Red. Many of the prisoners purchase their baccy etc from being paid by private individuals and farms where they are put to work... |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2024 19:32:14 GMT
A rehash of community service then? Basically yes |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 19:35:54 GMT
It works in the USA Red. Many of the prisoners purchase their baccy etc from being paid by private individuals and farms where they are put to work... The only reason I can see it not working here is because of bleeding heart lefties who would insist it was against their human rights. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 26, 2024 19:36:11 GMT
It looks as if they might be giving a few teeth to something that is already happening. -"Community sentences can be given if the criminal is convicted of a crime but are not sent to prison. The punishments involve doing unpaid work in the local community, like cleaning up a park."- Yes indeed it's a good idea, and it should be extended to unproductive bored prisoners who are banged up up in cells for 23 hours a day. If the attempt can be made to get such people into the right frame of mind even if that can take a little time and encouragement, they might even enjoy the exercise and even learn something in the process. Its the approach that I took 30 years with youngsters having to do with community service. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 19:44:27 GMT
Yes indeed it's a good idea, and it should be extended to unproductive bored prisoners who are banged up up in cells for 23 hours a day. If the attempt can be made to get such people into the right frame of mind even if that can take a little time and encouragement, they might even enjoy the exercise and even learn something in the process. Its the approach that I took 30 years with youngsters having to do with community service. FFS it doesn't matter what 'frame of mind' they're in! In the unlikely event that prisoners were required to do some sort of community service like litter picking for instance, it would not be a choice. Are you forgetting prison is a punishment? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 26, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
Young Offenders used to do that in the Council area I worked for, but the Probation Officers stopped it as some residents made a few remarks as they passed by When I drove through Romania on two occasions , they has chain gangs cleaning roadside drains out etc all dressed in nice Bright Pink overalls, IMO if the colour of the overalls was intended to embarrass and belittle the individuals it would quite likely feed into their inner anger and aggression. Personally I think there is some truth in the clip from a film I watched many years. -- "flogging makes a good man bad and and a bad man worse" -- |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2024 19:52:00 GMT
If the attempt can be made to get such people into the right frame of mind even if that can take a little time and encouragement, they might even enjoy the exercise and even learn something in the process. Its the approach that I took 30 years with youngsters having to do with community service. FFS it doesn't matter what 'frame of mind' they're in! In the unlikely event that prisoners were required to do some sort of community service like litter picking for instance, it would not be a choice. Are you forgetting prison is a punishment? The Floggings will continue until Moral Improves  |
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