Chain gangs to clean up community...

I am remembering that such people will return to society after their punishment is completed.

I am reminded of a Liverpool chap interviewed on the 'Richard & Judy' morning TV show at the Liverpool Docks many years ago. The interviewed was a bloke in his 30s who had received the Birch in the IOM as a teenager. He made a number of visits to the IOM after the birching and very carefully and purposefully did damage on each visit. He only stopped being angry and destructive when feeling changed.
 

Well tbf I'm not suggesting we bring back the birch, although the vindictive git you speak of makes me wonder...

Afaik Singapore would be considered authoritarian by our standards and there is very little,crime there.

Precisely. 

I know a prison officer, although tbf I havent seen him in a while, who works at Winson Green, I believe it's called HMP Birmingham now, anyhoo. He told me the prisoners run the prison, he said there aren't enough staff to enforce any rules and the prisoners know it, and he said he is on occasion frightened. Which is why the few staff on duty stay out of the way and let prisoners get on with it. He told me the ratio of prisoners to staff and tbh I cant remember exactly what he said, but it was ridiculous, something like two officers per landing as long as no one phones in sick. 

I agree, I'll also believe it when I see it. I think it's a good idea, but we were too soft 20 years ago and we're definately too soft now.

Nail hit firmly on the head well said, sad to say some of the Liberal Elite and Lefties would probably sing a different tune if they were the victims of crime, robbed in the street for the contents of their handbag watch or wallet , dragged along the pavement , threatened with a knife give it me or else, OAP followed from the Post Office after collecting their pension then attacked to fund the cretins drug habit or too lazy to work.

I have dealt with hundreds of victims of crime over the years, I have seen women when they come home to find their home burgled refuse to live in their home again as they feel dirty violated, throw all their underwear in the bin as some arsehole as gone through their bedside cabinet, the contents of their jewellery box gone, their inherited Mothers or Grandmothers Jewellery gone, their home trashed, even their bed defecated on, ornaments smashed, their children's rooms ransacked.

Having to tell someone their Husband or Wife or their child has been badly injured beaten up raped or murdered, it is a very unpleasant upsetting thing to have to do.

IMO The Liberal Elite and Lefties soon change their ideas when they become a victim of crime its one hell of a welcome call to the real world 

There is very little help for victims of crime , there are a lot more to help Convicted Criminals , they don't fear going to Prison in fact they see it as a badge of honour, look how tough I am especially gang members he's a stand up guy, he won't talk he will do his bird, wrong many of them cry and only too willing to talk for a lesser sentence.