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Post by borchester on Nov 20, 2022 21:16:45 GMT
In the last week the Tories have achieved the nigh on impossible feat of increasing the yawning gap between them and Labour yet further.
Sunak has shown himself to be weak and ineffectual and Hunt has given the Tory grassroots the Agincourt salute. The point under consideration should not be the relationship between the UK and the EU, but what colour curtains Vicki Starmer will choose for when she moves into Number Ten in 2024
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Post by om15 on Nov 20, 2022 21:22:01 GMT
The blob have been busy, initially they had the HoL and Bercow trying to derail it all, then somehow or other Boris did actually get us sort of out, "they" then did every trick in the book to get rid of Boris (quite easy due to his carrying on), then dumped Liz Truss.
"They" then installed Hunt in charge with Sunak as PM in order to overturn Brexit and get back the status quo.
The only way this is going to be resolved is by voting in Reform UK, I know they have no experience of Government, but they really can't be worse than what we have. I can see that the ERG and other Brexit supporting MPs getting together and bringing the Government down if this carries on.
Labour might be gearing up for an election, we understand the Deputy Leader has borrowed money to enhance her bosom and Starmer has taken to applying more brylcreem than the entire RAF, but their lack of any policies must be noted even by the most myopic lefties.
I hope this spectacularly backfires on the Tories
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2022 21:23:44 GMT
In the last week the Tories have achieved the nigh on impossible feat of increasing the yawning gap between them and Labour yet further.
Sunak has shown himself to be weak and ineffectual and Hunt has given the Tory grassroots the Agincourt salute. The point under consideration should not be the relationship between the UK and the EU, but what colour curtains Vicki Starmer will choose for when she moves into Number Ten in 2024
I’m not sure about that . I suspect that Labour would be doing much the same if they were to win a snap election . I also suspect that there will be enough stick in the next 18 months to allow for half a carrot before the next GE. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 21:29:00 GMT
The blob have been busy, initially they had the HoL and Bercow trying to derail it all, then somehow or other Boris did actually get us sort of out, "they" then did every trick in the book to get rid of Boris (quite easy due to his carrying on), then dumped Liz Truss. "They" then installed Hunt in charge with Sunak as PM in order to overturn Brexit and get back the status quo. The only way this is going to be resolved is by voting in Reform UK, I know they have no experience of Government, but they really can't be worse than what we have. I can see that the ERG and other Brexit supporting MPs getting together and bringing the Government down if this carries on. Labour might be gearing up for an election, we understand the Deputy Leader has borrowed money to enhance her bosom and Starmer has taken to applying more brylcreem than the entire RAF, but their lack of any policies must be noted even by the most myopic lefties. I hope this spectacularly backfires on the Tories They sound perfect. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 20, 2022 21:31:38 GMT
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 1:04:00 GMT
Senior government figures are planning to put Britain on the path towards a Swiss-style relationship with the European Union. The move, intended to forge closer economic ties, is likely to infuriate hardline Conservative Brexiteers. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, last week signalled that Rishi Sunak’s administration intends to break from the approach adopted by Boris Johnson and remove the vast majority of trade barriers with the bloc. In private, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade requires moving towards a Swiss-style relationship over the next decade. However, they insist this would not extend to a return to freedom of movement. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-mulls-swiss-style-ties-with-brussels-nr0f7fw2kWith pro EU globalists like Sunak and Hunt in charge it was always going to happen. Perhaps this is the reason they are loathe to upset the EU/Macron over the illegal invasion from France. I don't think you need panic just yet, it sounds like something that's been mentioned at a free thinking brainstorm rather than an outcome. Worth remembering though that Farage was an advocate of just such a Swiss deal type Brexit |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 21, 2022 2:42:38 GMT
The longer we are out of the EU the more both sides will have to comprise.
I said all along that there will be a period of hostility, then the business leaders will pressure both sides into comprises. The majority of Brits will accept closer market alignment, with the only true red line being Freedom of Movement.
The Spanish are already complaining that UK tourists should have their own special arrangement, you can bet Italy, France and Greece will need that to. If they don't, they will lose billions in tourism to Turkey and other destinations outside of the EU.
The same with German cars, they all thought they would swap to other markets like Russia and China, good fucking luck with that now lol.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 4:57:41 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2022 7:05:14 GMT
There are a few problems with trying to adopt the Swiss style agreement. Firstly it's not on offer by the EU - they don't like it and are almost permanently trying to bully Switzerland into changing it. And the bilateral deals that Switzerland has took over 6 years to negotiate.
Secondly if the problem we're trying to solve is "friction" in trade it will NOT solve it. The friction is because we've left the Single Market and now trade as a "third party country". But so does Switzerland, who's also not in the Single Market.
This is all like a time warp where we go back to 2016 and start going over all the old arguments where no one has a clue what they're talking about. WHat's basically happening is the "Revenge of the Remoaners". All the fuss about Boris was to remove him so that they could install their own PM and chancellor (not voted for the people but by MPs who are 75% remain). That's been achieved, completely illegitimately. They now want to reverse Brexit. I said this would happen if Boris was ousted.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 21, 2022 7:13:50 GMT
Phew. So we're not going for the short-termist view to balance the books by flooding the labour market with cheap labour and our accustomed low-productivity model that has been Britain's MO for decades. Thank heavens that failed model isn't being returned. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 21, 2022 7:22:44 GMT
There are a few problems with trying to adopt the Swiss style agreement. Firstly it's not on offer by the EU - they don't like it and are almost permanently trying to bully Switzerland into changing it. And the bilateral deals that Switzerland has took over 6 years to negotiate. Secondly if the problem we're trying to solve is "friction" in trade it will NOT solve it. The friction is because we've left the Single Market and now trade as a "third party country". But so does Switzerland, who's also not in the Single Market. This is all like a time warp where we go back to 2016 and start going over all the old arguments where no one has a clue what they're talking about. WHat's basically happening is the "Revenge of the Remoaners". All the fuss about Boris was to remove him so that they could install their own PM and chancellor (not voted for the people but by MPs who are 75% remain). That's been achieved, completely illegitimately. They now want to reverse Brexit. I said this would happen if Boris was ousted. This was always going to happen. MSM has gone into overdrive ever since 2016 about ousting any politician that is sympathetic to the democratic vote of 2016. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 7:40:36 GMT
Phew. So we're not going for the short-termist view to balance the books by flooding the labour market with cheap labour and our accustomed low-productivity model that has been Britain's MO for decades. Thank heavens that failed model isn't being returned. Sunak will be attending the CBI conference this week and they have already said they will be pressurising him to allow free movement of cheap labour so they dont have to raise wages.. .. will Sunak be able to resist? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 21, 2022 9:08:28 GMT
you seem to like misrepresenting reality Pacifico. Odd.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 10:24:39 GMT
Have some reality..
"Let's have economic migration in areas where we aren't going to get the people and skills at home any time soon."
Tony Danker, CBI general secretary
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 21, 2022 10:29:03 GMT
It does seem British business is akin to junkie with a needle hanging out their arm; it has become addicted to cheap labour and cannot function without it.
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