Starmer: I will abolish House of Lords

I must point out that Labour was a small third party with only a handful of MPs in 2010. There were two elections in that year and Labour did not win either of them so could not implement any manifesto pledge. Labour did not win a workable parliamentary majority until 1945, by which time abolition of the Lords had long since disappeared from their manifesto.

Blair had a pledge to abolish the hereditaries and reform the Lords but he found it too convenient to have it there for the patronage of his cronies. Blair was never a man to let principle get in the way of power. 92 hereditaries and a number of bishops still sit there. I doubt whether Starmer will prove to be serious about reform either. 

It is the thing that all people tend to have in common with everyone else. When was the last time you heard left wing people arguing they should get less money?

It sounds to me like we have some similar views on this subject. The problem with all such notions is making sure the government powers are properly, irretrievably constricted.

Perhaps it's a topic that thould have it's own thread, even if we're both labeled as commies. If you can seperate our posts over the past few minutes and make them the start of a new thread, I'm game.

That's a good idea - I'm busy right now, but maybe I could open something in mind zone later - "How should land be handled economically?"

Will aim to write a small introductory post, so people know what I'm talking about.

That'll help......lol

Unelected people making Parliamentary decisions is clearly very wrong, and its long overdue for reform, no one can argue against this principle.

What makes it worse, is the fact that many of these unelected people are appointed out of FAVOUR in return for loyalty or assistance to either particular Prime Ministers, or particular political parties.

Under the present archaic, antiquated and out of date system, certain clergy have the automatic right to sit in the House Of Lords, but ONLY clergy from one particular faith and one particular Church - the way to describe this is RIDICULOUS.

There is no argument for keeping the present upper house the way it is, and Kier Starmer is absolutely correct in bringing the House of Lords into the 21st century.