Starmer: I will abolish House of Lords

It is perfectly feasible to abolish the House of Lords if the political will is there. Sadly, I think it will be lacking with Starmer. He is far too much of an establishmentarian to go for such radical constitutional change. This is just another one of his false promises. Those of us who used to be in Labour are well used to those.

Which is a pity because I actually agree with abolishing the House of Lords and replacing it with an elected chamber of some sort.

Used to be In labour so your willing not to vote a labour govenment in power because the likes keir and the General electorate
turned there back on Semitic labour under the commie led labour party by corbyn.

and yes its a good proposal by keir so are many of the others like his green propsal .

My first impression is that he just wants an elected Chamber which might be an improvement on what we have at the moment. I don't think an elected Chamber predominantly of Tory or Labour supporters would be any better than what we already have.
To my knowledge the House of Lords is a debating Chamber, keeping an eye on the commons. I read one time that the Lords gave Mrs. Thatcher more problems than it had to any other PM. That suggests it can't be all bad.

It could be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Utter bollocks with risible language and wilful distortions of a kind more typically found in the Sun. If you think momentum were a bunch of communists you are seriously suffering from reds under the bed syndrome, but that is typical of the right.


You do not sound like someone very supportive of Labour under a genuine social democratic program (or "commie" as you laughably put it)

Yet you expect my unconditional support for you now, deploying such persuasive arguments - *sarcasm alert* - as the above, lol.

Do you think I will read that and decide that on the basis of all you have said, I must be wrong and must surely vote Labour? Really?

I'd seriously advise you to stay at home during the next election, because your powers of persuasion will evidently be totally shite on the doorstep if the risible crap above is any indication.

As for me, I voted Labour in 1997. Borderline decision but I did again in 2001, persuaded by Blair promising a more radical second term. Turned out that what he meant by that was more right wing and his main policy delivery was the Iraq War. In 2005 and 2010 I actually voted Lib Dem but haven't voted for them again since their great betrayal of siding with the Tories. For a time, I thought there was a real chance of me not voting at all in 2015. Couldn't vote Lib Dem or Tory, nor UKIP which only left Labour, because it was usually only those four who stood. Had David Miliband won the leadership contest, I could never have voted for them either. Ed Miliband however was progressive enough just about to win back my vote. But I could see that he was seriously hamstrung by the perceived need to keep the Blairites on board, who kept dragging him away from radical policies. Corbyn was able to push through genuine social democratic policies because he had the backing of a mass membership that Miliband lacked, a membership that he empowered and who supported such policies.

I joined Labour in 2016 after Corbyn became leader, not because of love of Corbyn himself who had his flaws but because I was enthused by the direction policy was taking. The party was beginning to adopt an agenda that was full square behind everything I had always believed in, encapsulated by the 2017 manifesto. It was due to Starmer distancing himself from all that and the obvious witch hunt against genuine socialists (whom a la Daily Mail you call "commies", lol) which made people like me feel unwelcome that I left in disgust in 2021. 

Yet here you are having driven us out or made us feel obliged to leave, demanding our support anyway. Afraid it doesn't work like that sunshine.

The point ought to be blatantly obvious.

Replacing a bunch of unelected cronies we never voted for and cannot remove who sit for life with elected representatives of some kind whom we vote for and can vote out of office again gives us the final say in who gets to sit and represent us there.

One of the main arguments of Brexiteers was all about returning sovereignty to the British people. Same argument can be made for replacing a bunch of unelected cronies with elected representatives of the people, elected by the people and for the people, and accountable to the people.

By the way, while reforming the HOL, I hope Starmer at the same time reforms HoC by introducing PR.

After the Brexit fiasco we need a new system, purposely stalling, and obstructing democracy is unacceptable, it's a well known fact the Lords, the speaker of the House Bercow, and the civil service tried to sabotage Brexit, one reason Boris Johnson called a GE and the people voted, a landslide victory.