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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 10:25:05 GMT
We will never be allowed to know what influence his money has had, but accepting vast sums from obvious racist extremists is surely dodgy. If it was Labour taking the money you'd be saying so yourself. “ Racist extremists”? Get a grip 😁 You don't find overt racism in combination with stating that a black MP ought to be shot a tad extreme? Says a lot about you. If some black guy donating to the Labour party had said that Liz Truss made him want to hate all white women and that she ought to be shot, you and most of the other usual suspects around here would be singing a very different tune. You know it. We know it. And we know why. Which is why those of us who oppose racism oppose you. And call yours out. Your double standards themselves betray you. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2024 10:32:09 GMT
Abbott is not a victim . The man said that she is so awful that she makes him want to hate black women but he doesn’t hate them ie she hasn’t poisoned him into being a racist.
Then he said she should be shot ..he didn’t say all black women should be shot or that she should be shot because she is black.
It was a stupid thing to say , not least because he should have known that it might have been revealed to the public.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 18, 2024 10:39:14 GMT
I do not believe she has called upon anyone she dislikes to be shot, certainly not another elected representative. Nor has she used dislike of a particular individual to state that it makes her hate entire ethnic groups. And her supposed dislike of white people is mostly tongue in cheek. In any case perpetrators can also be victims... I'm not sure that Abbot's comments are tongue-in-cheek but Hesters clearly were and he's getting no quarter, so she can stuff her hypocrisy. And as for perps being victims, it's a case of live by the sword: If you attract certain kinds of trouble then you tend to get it back. As Abbot does. So nice try, Shrieks. But no cigar. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 18, 2024 10:55:27 GMT
I do not believe she has called upon anyone she dislikes to be shot, certainly not another elected representative. Nor has she used dislike of a particular individual to state that it makes her hate entire ethnic groups. And her supposed dislike of white people is mostly tongue in cheek. In any case perpetrators can also be victims... I'm not sure that Abbot's comments are tongue-in-cheek but Hesters clearly were and he's getting no quarter, so she can stuff her hypocrisy. And as for perps being victims, it's a case of live by the sword: If you attract certain kinds of trouble then you tend to get it back. As Abbot does. So nice try, Shrieks. But no cigar. Hester said this five years ago in a private get together with people he knew , how it got out and why has it taken until now to be broadcast , simple a GE is in the offing a useful smear tactic, as per usual in the UK today " You can say what you like as long as you say nothing" not even in private |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2024 10:57:28 GMT
Abbott is a black racist claiming to be a victim of racism.
Rayner is making money out of Thatchers policies while claiming to hate Tory policies .
They would make a good team .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 18, 2024 11:02:06 GMT
Abbott is a black racist claiming to be a victim of racism. Rayner is making money out of Thatchers policies while claiming to hate Tory policies . They would make a good team . And both good lefty hypocrites. And typical of the breed. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 18, 2024 11:02:12 GMT
Well confession time here I once after dealing with some very obstructive council officials said “they should all be taken out and shot” I should point out they were all white and I didn’t wish them executed. Its a figure of speech like “my feet are killing me” when you’ve been on them too long,people at times say things that shouldn’t be taken literally. On another thread I made the point that what I find more inappropriate is the massive sum of money given and not given for nothing it’s corrupt,that Abbott whinges about racism when she’s said the things she has about Jews that Gethin took money from a twice convicted environmental crim and he says he won’t give the money back but is still Welsh first minister. Dont you think politicians accepting bribes donations is more worrying or the hypocrisy of calling racism when you’ve said much the same,we are approaching the point that the white population of this country can’t say much without being called racist but others can and do say what they like. Doing some voluntary work an Iranian woman told me much the same “I’m Iranian I can say what you can’t” I would say I was gobsmacked and years ago I probably would’ve been but not now,if you think me racist for what I’ve just said is up to you and I’m not going to protest my innocence I don’t have to because I know what I think and why and ain’t going to justify. Whataboutery is no excuse for Hester's obviously racist opinions. Whoever first adopted the term whataboutery should be shot (see what I did there?) Whataboutery a dishonest ploy to shut down any counter argument and claim the higher ground which when used I’ve always found to be dishonest debate (nothing personal I’ve said this to others) Basically what you’re saying and I’ll use an outrageous example Public figure A who coerced another in to a sexual act and then for the sake of that argument is known to have paid out a large sum and required a NDA signed goes on to say any public figure convicted of rape should be barred from office for life when talking about public figure B. You point the inconsistency out and up pops someone and says you can’t say that it’s whataboutery. That’s really your line here,Hester said something in private but very stupid for someone in his position Abbot was equally stupid and public,you can claim all you like her comments were more subtle but it does amount to hypocrisy to try and justify that. Further I was amused that Harman cried and called for her return to the fold but whilst in her position of power and very apparent hatred for Boris she couldn’t wait to turn the knife on him. Yes Boris was stupid too but there’s a lot of hypocrisy and reason to say ”but what about “much of what goes on in Westminster. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 18, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
Yes but she says it in a rather playful way, as an intellectual plays with ideas. It's not meant to insult but to stimulate an argument that defeats her argument. She might say something like well why should we not have a black prime minister - I think it is a great idea myself. It's to draw out the counter augments of your opponent. One pisser where she always has a grin on her face is the opponent is handicapped because some of the strongest reasons he might proffer in response would cause an uproar, and probably get him arrested, such as to point out how Africa is stupid and you can prove it by its history of non-development. That's a sound argument intellectually, but take those away by law and she is grinning. You get the idea. She finds it rather funny how the Brits have given people like her undue power. You can't blame her, can you. She didn't give herself power. When she was younger she was an object of celebration, as per Britain's first black MP or something. I don't think there is a thing playful about the lady whatsoever. Corbyn used her as a sex object to prove to his peers he had no problems fucking black women. Cheers john I was just about to tuck in to a bacon butty ..... LOL |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2024 11:10:18 GMT
“ Racist extremists”? Get a grip 😁 You don't find overt racism in combination with stating that a black MP ought to be shot a tad extreme? Says a lot about you. If some black guy donating to the Labour party had said that Liz Truss made him want to hate all white women and that she ought to be shot, you and most of the other usual suspects around here would be singing a very different tune. You know it. We know it. And we know why. Which is why those of us who oppose racism oppose you. And call yours out. Your double standards themselves betray you. The fact that you are trying to peddle this crap says a lot about you . I repeat “Abbott is not a victim . The man said that she is so awful that she makes him want to hate black women but he doesn’t hate them ie she hasn’t poisoned him into being a racist. Then he said she should be shot ..he didn’t say all black women should be shot or that she should be shot because she is black. It was a stupid thing to say , not least because he should have known that it might have been revealed to the public..” Now if Liz Truss was a known anti black racist and a black Labour donor said that Truss made him want to hate all white women but he DOESNT ( you lrfties keep forgetting that , I wonder why ?) then went on to say Truss should be shot …you and the other lefties would be nodding your empty little heads in agreement and praising the black bloke for not hating white women . |
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Post by distant on Mar 18, 2024 11:21:56 GMT
I don't actually think that the Tories should return the 10 or 15 million to Hester but they should refuse to accept it. This is the money that Hester donated to the Tory party in return for receiving lucrative contracts from the Tory Government. Quid Quo Pro or in this case I would call corruption. So how do they refuse to accept it? One way would be to donate it to charity. Not a charity such as a benevolent fund for ex Tory MPs kicked out of the party for various misdemeanors but a proper charity such as cancer research. This is what should happen but of course it wont, the greedy Tories will keep the money.
Hester's comments don't surprise me one bit as it just shows what Tories are really like behind closed doors.
Come the next election the Tories campaign will be funded by a man who thinks that MPs he doesn't like should be shot. I am sure that the Tories opponents will be pointing this out when the time comes.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
I don't actually think that the Tories should return the 10 or 15 million to Hester but they should refuse to accept it. This is the money that Hester donated to the Tory party in return for receiving lucrative contracts from the Tory Government. Quid Quo Pro or in this case I would call corruption. So how do they refuse to accept it? One way would be to donate it to charity. Not a charity such as a benevolent fund for ex Tory MPs kicked out of the party for various misdemeanors but a proper charity such as cancer research. This is what should happen but of course it wont, the greedy Tories will keep the money.
Hester's comments don't surprise me one bit as it just shows what Tories are really like behind closed doors.
Come the next election the Tories campaign will be funded by a man who thinks that MPs he doesn't like should be shot. I am sure that the Tories opponents will be pointing this out when the time comes.
What precisely were those lucrative contracts Hester received from the Tory government? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 18, 2024 11:52:31 GMT
after the shit that came down on Hoyle's head the last time he ignored the rules and customs of the house it's not surprising that he is now sticking to the letter. Ignoring the person who had been demonised, but allowing others to speak about the situation, was not sticking to the letter, it was very much a biased act: for whatever reason, biased against Diane Abbott, She stood up many times only to be ignored by Hoyle. as I understand it the other MP's who spoke had put their names forward beforehand, Abbott did not, and the convention is to call those MP's who have already indicated their desire to speak. No great conspiracy... |
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Post by distant on Mar 18, 2024 12:16:04 GMT
I don't actually think that the Tories should return the 10 or 15 million to Hester but they should refuse to accept it. This is the money that Hester donated to the Tory party in return for receiving lucrative contracts from the Tory Government. Quid Quo Pro or in this case I would call corruption. So how do they refuse to accept it? One way would be to donate it to charity. Not a charity such as a benevolent fund for ex Tory MPs kicked out of the party for various misdemeanors but a proper charity such as cancer research. This is what should happen but of course it wont, the greedy Tories will keep the money.
Hester's comments don't surprise me one bit as it just shows what Tories are really like behind closed doors.
Come the next election the Tories campaign will be funded by a man who thinks that MPs he doesn't like should be shot. I am sure that the Tories opponents will be pointing this out when the time comes.
What precisely were those lucrative contracts Hester received from the Tory government? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2024 12:36:34 GMT
Oh I see. So what you really meant was that he won several contracts from NHS and social care . Is there any evidence that he was given the contracts due to contributions to the Tory party ? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 18, 2024 13:22:23 GMT
Oh I see. So what you really meant was that he won several contracts from NHS and social care . Is there any evidence that he was given the contracts due to contributions to the Tory party ? Note how the usual lefty trolls and flamers try and divert the topic away from labours biggest racist.. |
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