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Post by sandypine on Mar 17, 2024 20:53:37 GMT
He then of course says that is wrong and he should not hate all black women because of Mz Abbott. Why do people keep on missing that bit out? Because what he said in an unguarded moment is obviously more likely to be representative of his true feelings than something he is saying publicly to try and get himself out of the shit. Then you are misled he said it all in the course of the comments he made, the final part was the shot bit. Herein lies the problem you have taken one part entirely out of the context of the whole. The qualification was within the comments not tacked on as a defence later. EDIT The full comments made were as reported by the Guardian "It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like I hate, you just want to hate all black women because she's there, and I don't hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot." So it is clear in those comments that he states that he does not hate all black women despite the image of Mz Abbott making that an understandable consequence. It is strange that the left will stand by what people say when they think they can get a bit of traction but when he says he does not hate all black women in the same sentence it is ignored. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 17, 2024 20:55:17 GMT
Posters seem to believe that because a Tory donor made rather nasty, and racist comments about a black MP, it will somehow put thing right if they now attempt to portray Dianne Abbott as a not very bright person, who has made controversial comments in the past. It DOESN'T change anything Mr Hester is typical of a lot of Tories and their supporters, who privately, and secretly, hold nasty views about people of other ethnic and religious backgrounds, Lee Anderson been a recent good example. I dont particularly like Dianne Abbotts style or brand of politics, but its no reason to step into the cesspit of politics, and become abusive. This has got NOTHING to do with Dianne Abbots political beliefs, or Jeremy Corbyn, its purely about going below what is the accepted political stanfards of behaviour and conduct, and as such, Mr Hester, and Lee Anderson cannot be defended. Do get real, Witchy: Abbot's made enough racist comments of her own that her current fauxtrage, over this 5 year old incident, has absolutely zero credibility. The stupid, fat biatch. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 17, 2024 21:10:24 GMT
So if Abbott said 'Hester makes me want to hate all white men' ..... which Abbott wouldn't think twice about saying, it would have been water off a ducks back because it was 'Diane Abbott' who said it, and we have to accept her controversial statements that she's renowned for OPENLY saying. Which would be a more valid response if she actually said that as opposed to you merely saying it is the sort of thing she would say. I suspect that what Hester said is the sort of thing you might say, but unless you actually said it and I could prove it, it is just meaningless drivel. So a defence of whataboutery based on meaningless drivel is an utterly pitiful response from you. Yeah whatever...
Labour MP Diane Abbott has had the whip suspended following remarks in which she suggested Jewish people do not face racism, but instead suffer prejudice similar to "redheads".
Silly daft old cow.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 17, 2024 21:16:37 GMT
I saw an interview with her on social media a few hours back. She really isn't bothered about it an was smiling and saying I'm sure Kier will hand back the whip. Maybe she has some antisemitism proof on Starmer or something. What I think our main problem here is, is the press are all kind of paid off so they go full blast to try and destroy someone or other at the request of their sponsors. It's deep corruption an it make the press look like clowns. The press are simply doing their job. Any big donor saying shite like this would be all over the papers if they got wind of it. So there is no point of value at all in blaming the press for doing their job. The motives of whoever blew the whistle and why ought to be of more concern. But that in no way diminishes the enormity of Hester's own utterings. They are just like distraught children. No one benefits from such a pathetic display. Meanwhile the important news goes unpublished.
I bet you didn't hear that puberty blockers will be banned by April. That's chemical castration and immensely damaging, but it was allowed to go on for years.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 17, 2024 21:49:33 GMT
I simply can't imagine Ms Abbott as an intellectual. Perhaps Hester was also just being playful, maybe he had eight pints of Hobgoblin at a private function and thought that he was cracking a joke, if the audience had also had eight pints no doubt it did raise a laugh. Storm in a teacup. So talking about a black woman you dislike being enough to make you hate black women, and the one you dislike should be shot, aka lynched, is a mere storm in a tea cup eh? I suppose it would seem so to a white racist. The Conservative party’s biggest donor told colleagues that looking at Diane Abbott makes you “want to hate all black women” and said the MP “should be shot”, the Guardian can reveal. Frank Hester, who has given £10m to the Tories in the past year, said in the meeting that he did not hate all black women. But he said that seeing Abbott, who is Britain’s longest-serving black MP, on TV meant “you just want to hate all black women because she’s there”. A white racist saying that a black racist is so awful that it makes him tend to be racist but he is not . A white racist saying that a black racist should be shot ( not lynched ffs) …not calling for the black racist to be shot ..boo hoo. Nothing to see here but triggered lefties and virtue signallers . |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2024 22:12:01 GMT
People say inappropriate things all the time - this was said by a private individual at a private gathering. Is it really realistic (or appropriate) to police individual private conversations? People often reveal their true nature in private gatherings amongst their mates, which they hide from wider audiences. Things like racism and misogyny for example. Racism is n ot acceptable just because we were never supposed to know about it. What 'wider audience'? - he is a private citizen who is entitled to hold whatever views he likes. My view is that Jeremy Corbyn is terrorist supporting scum - are you suggesting that I am not allowed to hold that view? Have you a list of these views and opinions that we are allowed to hold? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2024 22:14:53 GMT
People say inappropriate things all the time - this was said by a private individual at a private gathering.
Is it really realistic (or appropriate) to police individual private conversations?If that someone is a major donor to a political party, especially if the sums involved are so large that they smell of undue influence of a kind most of us vaguely regard as a bit corrupt, then when that someone spouts racist and extremist opinions it matters. Were he someone who uttered such opinions without donating large sums, no one would care nearly so much, just another racist of a kind that exists all over the place. It is the fact of someone with such obviously obnoxious views buying substantial influence in one of our main political parties that makes it the serious issue it is. Unless the Tories outlaw Black Women, what influence do you think his opinion of Diane Abbott has had? The Tories being know for being so racist that they would never have an ethnic minority leader and 2 out of the three people favourites to replace him also from ethnic minorities - they are one step away from being the BNP I tell ya..  |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 17, 2024 23:35:06 GMT
He then of course says that is wrong and he should not hate all black women because of Mz Abbott. Why do people keep on missing that bit out? Because what he said in an unguarded moment is obviously more likely to be representative of his true feelings than something he is saying publicly to try and get himself out of the shit. Well confession time here I once after dealing with some very obstructive council officials said “they should all be taken out and shot” I should point out they were all white and I didn’t wish them executed. Its a figure of speech like “my feet are killing me” when you’ve been on them too long,people at times say things that shouldn’t be taken literally. On another thread I made the point that what I find more inappropriate is the massive sum of money given and not given for nothing it’s corrupt,that Abbott whinges about racism when she’s said the things she has about Jews that Gethin took money from a twice convicted environmental crim and he says he won’t give the money back but is still Welsh first minister. Dont you think politicians accepting bribes donations is more worrying or the hypocrisy of calling racism when you’ve said much the same,we are approaching the point that the white population of this country can’t say much without being called racist but others can and do say what they like. Doing some voluntary work an Iranian woman told me much the same “I’m Iranian I can say what you can’t” I would say I was gobsmacked and years ago I probably would’ve been but not now,if you think me racist for what I’ve just said is up to you and I’m not going to protest my innocence I don’t have to because I know what I think and why and ain’t going to justify. |
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Post by morayloon on Mar 18, 2024 1:19:56 GMT
On page 3 now, and no one has mentioned how Hoyle prevented Abbott from speaking at Wednesday's PMQs. She had to sit and watch as other MPs spoke about the situation. Not once did Hoyle look Abbot's way despite the numerous times she stood up, ready to give her own side of the story. It was a disgrace. Following on from his Labour supporting action of the previous week this ridiculous action shows that Hoyle has lost it. He should be dismissed from the post.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 18, 2024 1:50:51 GMT
On page 3 now, and no one has mentioned how Hoyle prevented Abbott from speaking at Wednesday's PMQs. She had to sit and watch as other MPs spoke about the situation. Not once did Hoyle look Abbot's way despite the numerous times she stood up, ready to give her own side of the story. It was a disgrace. Following on from his Labour supporting action of the previous week this ridiculous action shows that Hoyle has lost it. He should be dismissed from the post. Starmer is trying to clean his enemy out of £15m, because as he says, his party relies on small donations. Hoyle is just taking orders from him as part of the stitch-up. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 18, 2024 2:55:30 GMT
On page 3 now, and no one has mentioned how Hoyle prevented Abbott from speaking at Wednesday's PMQs. She had to sit and watch as other MPs spoke about the situation. Not once did Hoyle look Abbot's way despite the numerous times she stood up, ready to give her own side of the story. It was a disgrace. Following on from his Labour supporting action of the previous week this ridiculous action shows that Hoyle has lost it. He should be dismissed from the post. That was the one good thing that hoyle ever did fellow BRIT and BTW it was posted on another thread how hoyle did the right thing keeping the racist vitual signnaling arsehole silent... |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 18, 2024 4:33:22 GMT
Posters seem to believe that because a Tory donor made rather nasty, and racist comments about a black MP, it will somehow put thing right if they now attempt to portray Dianne Abbott as a not very bright person, who has made controversial comments in the past. It DOESN'T change anything Mr Hester is typical of a lot of Tories and their supporters, who privately, and secretly, hold nasty views about people of other ethnic and religious backgrounds, Lee Anderson been a recent good example. I dont particularly like Dianne Abbotts style or brand of politics, but its no reason to step into the cesspit of politics, and become abusive. This has got NOTHING to do with Dianne Abbots political beliefs, or Jeremy Corbyn, its purely about going below what is the accepted political stanfards of behaviour and conduct, and as such, Mr Hester, and Lee Anderson cannot be defended. Interesting to note that you classify Abbott's remarks as "controversial" rather than racist when you're frothing at the mouth over Hester's remarks. Your double standards and gaslighting have been noted since you joined this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 7:31:23 GMT
Because what he said in an unguarded moment is obviously more likely to be representative of his true feelings than something he is saying publicly to try and get himself out of the shit. Then you are misled he said it all in the course of the comments he made, the final part was the shot bit. Herein lies the problem you have taken one part entirely out of the context of the whole. The qualification was within the comments not tacked on as a defence later. EDIT The full comments made were as reported by the Guardian "It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like I hate, you just want to hate all black women because she's there, and I don't hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot." So it is clear in those comments that he states that he does not hate all black women despite the image of Mz Abbott making that an understandable consequence. It is strange that the left will stand by what people say when they think they can get a bit of traction but when he says he does not hate all black women in the same sentence it is ignored. So thats okay then, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 7:34:31 GMT
The press are simply doing their job. Any big donor saying shite like this would be all over the papers if they got wind of it. So there is no point of value at all in blaming the press for doing their job. The motives of whoever blew the whistle and why ought to be of more concern. But that in no way diminishes the enormity of Hester's own utterings. They are just like distraught children. No one benefits from such a pathetic display. Meanwhile the important news goes unpublished.
I bet you didn't hear that puberty blockers will be banned by April. That's chemical castration and immensely damaging, but it was allowed to go on for years.
I did hear about it actually but kind of thought it not worth starting a thread about since I have no issue with them being banned. But what has that got to do with the price of fish? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 7:39:09 GMT
People often reveal their true nature in private gatherings amongst their mates, which they hide from wider audiences. Things like racism and misogyny for example. Racism is n ot acceptable just because we were never supposed to know about it. What 'wider audience'? - he is a private citizen who is entitled to hold whatever views he likes. My view is that Jeremy Corbyn is terrorist supporting scum - are you suggesting that I am not allowed to hold that view? Have you a list of these views and opinions that we are allowed to hold? If those views are racist and extremist, as even your own party belatedly acknowledges that they are, such views matter if he is using vast sums to influence our politics. If Labour accepted money from a holocaust denier, a communist, or an Islamic extremist, you'd be all over it with the utmost glee. Thing is, I would be too because I do not harbour partisan double standards. |
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