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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2024 16:16:07 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate People say inappropriate things all the time - this was said by a private individual at a private gathering. Is it really realistic (or appropriate) to police individual private conversations?
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Post by sandypine on Mar 17, 2024 19:57:38 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate Not so it is why it is inappropriate that is the issue. It is nasty but it is not racist. It is not racist to say that a member of a group makes you want to hate all of that group but you will not. In fact it is the opposite of being racist. It is important to give the qualifying points. It seems the left just love missing bits out to paint a picture that is not there. It would not be racist for Dianne Abbott to say Nick Griffin makes me want to hate all white men but I know that is wrong and I will not. EDIT as an aside a man who made gun gestures at Nick Griffin and allegedly shouted white bastards at a group of BNP men was found not guilty of racial abuse and threatening behaviour so it seems that making intimation that someone will be shot is OK.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 19:59:35 GMT
Abbot really doesn’t seem to be the smartest cookie in the jar. I’ve no idea how racist she is, but the overplaying of the victim card is what I think a lot of people see as a fuelling racial tensions rather than resolution of them. So saying that a particular black woman you dislike makes you want to hate all black women and that the one you dislike should be shot, is not fuelling racial tensions but the maligned black woman fighting back is? Classic example of victim blaming here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:01:55 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate People say inappropriate things all the time - this was said by a private individual at a private gathering. Is it really realistic (or appropriate) to police individual private conversations? People often reveal their true nature in private gatherings amongst their mates, which they hide from wider audiences. Things like racism and misogyny for example. Racism is n ot acceptable just because we were never supposed to know about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
Ms Abbott has in the past made the observation that England is great except for the white people, some may find that rather racist but it now does seem to be incorporated into school curriculums. Some people can say anything they like, but if you are a white Tory donor you can't. Maybe Sunak will give him a peerage in his leaving honours list, that would kick it all off. Abbot never called for white people to be shot, though, but it's okay if its a white person being racist is it? Abbott may well have said some stupid things in her time, even things that might have been racist or at least twisted into being seen to be. This does not justify racist attacks on her. Something you and the other transparently obvious white racists around here will never understand because in your inner souls you believe racism is okay unless directed at white people. A double standard that leaves your true selves naked in the spotlight for all to see.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 17, 2024 20:07:59 GMT
Abbot really doesn’t seem to be the smartest cookie in the jar. I’ve no idea how racist she is, but the overplaying of the victim card is what I think a lot of people see as a fuelling racial tensions rather than resolution of them. So saying that a particular black woman you dislike makes you want to hate all black women and that the one you dislike should be shot, is not fuelling racial tensions but the maligned black woman fighting back is? Classic example of victim blaming here. He then of course says that is wrong and he should not hate all black women because of Mz Abbott. Why do people keep on missing that bit out?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:12:00 GMT
I simply can't imagine Ms Abbott as an intellectual. Perhaps Hester was also just being playful, maybe he had eight pints of Hobgoblin at a private function and thought that he was cracking a joke, if the audience had also had eight pints no doubt it did raise a laugh. Storm in a teacup. So talking about a black woman you dislike being enough to make you hate black women, and the one you dislike should be shot, aka lynched, is a mere storm in a tea cup eh? I suppose it would seem so to a white racist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:13:46 GMT
So saying that a particular black woman you dislike makes you want to hate all black women and that the one you dislike should be shot, is not fuelling racial tensions but the maligned black woman fighting back is? Classic example of victim blaming here. He then of course says that is wrong and he should not hate all black women because of Mz Abbott. Why do people keep on missing that bit out? Because what he said in an unguarded moment is obviously more likely to be representative of his true feelings than something he is saying publicly to try and get himself out of the shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:21:47 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate They reveal their own racism. One of them just a post or two before yours defended the twat on the basis that he said he did not think Diane Abbott was a reason to hate all black women. This in spite of the fact that he actually said, "Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" What we are seeing on this forum is racists who don't want to be identified as such but who nevertheless want to leap to the defence of a racist for saying what they would like to say themselves but dare not. They are as transparent as clear glass.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 17, 2024 20:24:39 GMT
I simply can't imagine Ms Abbott as an intellectual. Perhaps Hester was also just being playful, maybe he had eight pints of Hobgoblin at a private function and thought that he was cracking a joke, if the audience had also had eight pints no doubt it did raise a laugh. Storm in a teacup. I saw an interview with her on social media a few hours back. She really isn't bothered about it an was smiling and saying I'm sure Kier will hand back the whip. Maybe she has some antisemitism proof on Starmer or something. What I think our main problem here is, is the press are all kind of paid off so they go full blast to try and destroy someone or other at the request of their sponsors. It's deep corruption an it make the press look like clowns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:25:56 GMT
So if Abbott said 'Hester makes me want to hate all white men' ..... which Abbott wouldn't think twice about saying, it would have been water off a ducks back because it was 'Diane Abbott' who said it, and we have to accept her controversial statements that she's renowned for OPENLY saying. Which would be a more valid response if she actually said that as opposed to you merely saying it is the sort of thing she would say. I suspect that what Hester said is the sort of thing you might say, but unless you actually said it and I could prove it, it is just meaningless drivel. So a defence of whataboutery based on meaningless drivel is an utterly pitiful response from you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:29:10 GMT
I simply can't imagine Ms Abbott as an intellectual. Perhaps Hester was also just being playful, maybe he had eight pints of Hobgoblin at a private function and thought that he was cracking a joke, if the audience had also had eight pints no doubt it did raise a laugh. Storm in a teacup. I saw an interview with her on social media a few hours back. She really isn't bothered about it an was smiling and saying I'm sure Kier will hand back the whip. Maybe she has some antisemitism proof on Starmer or something. What I think our main problem here is, is the press are all kind of paid off so they go full blast to try and destroy someone or other at the request of their sponsors. It's deep corruption an it make the press look like clowns. The press are simply doing their job. Any big donor saying shite like this would be all over the papers if they got wind of it. So there is no point of value at all in blaming the press for doing their job. The motives of whoever blew the whistle and why ought to be of more concern. But that in no way diminishes the enormity of Hester's own utterings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:32:40 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate Abucus would put anyone off of women. Who apart from corbyn would want to give her one fiddles.. Well we can always rely on you to stoop to the occasion with your own knuckle-dragging brand of sexist misogyny. But no one takes you seriously anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 20:43:11 GMT
"Dianne Abbot makes me want to hate all black women" And the poster above, declares that this IS NOT a racist comment ? "She (Dianne Abbott) should be shot" Some posters believe the above is NOT inappropriate People say inappropriate things all the time - this was said by a private individual at a private gathering. Is it really realistic (or appropriate) to police individual private conversations?If that someone is a major donor to a political party, especially if the sums involved are so large that they smell of undue influence of a kind most of us vaguely regard as a bit corrupt, then when that someone spouts racist and extremist opinions it matters. Were he someone who uttered such opinions without donating large sums, no one would care nearly so much, just another racist of a kind that exists all over the place. It is the fact of someone with such obviously obnoxious views buying substantial influence in one of our main political parties that makes it the serious issue it is.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 17, 2024 20:46:03 GMT
Abbot really doesn’t seem to be the smartest cookie in the jar. I’ve no idea how racist she is, but the overplaying of the victim card is what I think a lot of people see as a fuelling racial tensions rather than resolution of them. Yes. The constant pointing up of racial differences (aka shouting "Racist" at everything) is of itself racist.
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