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Post by wapentake on Mar 19, 2024 21:29:55 GMT
Maybe becase Diane Abbott has never said anything which is Antisemitic So why did she apologise?
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 19, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
The Labour Party including Keir Starmer are Over-Sensetive to accusations of Antisemitism.
Let us remind ourselves of that word "Antisemitic" ....ANTISEMITISM is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews.
In a couple of sentences contained within a long article, Diane Abbott stated that (in her opinion) the differences amongst white people ( example Jews ) did not attract the same level of discrimination as those who are black ( those who are visibly different ). She was basically saying that you might be sat next to a Jewish person but might not know it, but a black person is visibly different.
What Abbott said may have been stupid, and it may have been wrong, and I understand that some Jewish people may feel that she was demeaning them, but it certainly was not racist or antisemitic.
She gave some good examples, she pointed out that Travellers, Gypsies, Irish people and Jews were never denied the vote in places like the United States or South Africa. She pointed out that it was only black people who had to sit at the back of the bus ..... If anyone believes she has not got a point, then I dont think your thinking clearly.
Diane Abbott, as much as I disagree with her brand of Labour, did not say anything antisemitic, and as much as I hope Keir Starmer will be our next PM, on this I disagree with him, to a large degree his hand is been forced by over sensetive press and media.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 19, 2024 21:57:16 GMT
In other news Hester said nothing racist and is not a racist .
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Post by jonksy on Mar 19, 2024 22:09:05 GMT
In other news Hester said nothing racist and is not a racist .Unlike abbot of course.....Even corbyn hid her away at the last GE and it seems he was giving her one at that time.....
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 19, 2024 22:14:55 GMT
The Labour Party including Keir Starmer are Over-Sensetive to accusations of Antisemitism. Let us remind ourselves of that word "Antisemitic" ....ANTISEMITISM is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews. In a couple of sentences contained within a long article, Diane Abbott stated that (in her opinion) the differences amongst white people ( example Jews ) did not attract the same level of discrimination as those who are black ( those who are visibly different ). She was basically saying that you might be sat next to a Jewish person but might not know it, but a black person is visibly different. What Abbott said may have been stupid, and it may have been wrong, and I understand that some Jewish people may feel that she was demeaning them, but it certainly was not racist or antisemitic. She gave some good examples, she pointed out that Travellers, Gypsies, Irish people and Jews were never denied the vote in places like the United States or South Africa. She pointed out that it was only black people who had to sit at the back of the bus ..... If anyone believes she has not got a point, then I dont think your thinking clearly.Diane Abbott, as much as I disagree with her brand of Labour, did not say anything antisemitic, and as much as I hope Keir Starmer will be our next PM, on this I disagree with him, to a large degree his hand is been forced by over sensetive press and media. Black people have never been the subject of genocide simply because they were black. Black people have not been driven out of almost every country in the Middle East - in fact I'm struggling to think of a single country where blacks were driven out of. But the silly bint thinks that Jews have not suffered the same level of discrimination as black people...
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 19, 2024 22:42:55 GMT
The Labour Party including Keir Starmer are Over-Sensetive to accusations of Antisemitism. Let us remind ourselves of that word "Antisemitic" ....ANTISEMITISM is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews. In a couple of sentences contained within a long article, Diane Abbott stated that (in her opinion) the differences amongst white people ( example Jews ) did not attract the same level of discrimination as those who are black ( those who are visibly different ). She was basically saying that you might be sat next to a Jewish person but might not know it, but a black person is visibly different. What Abbott said may have been stupid, and it may have been wrong, and I understand that some Jewish people may feel that she was demeaning them, but it certainly was not racist or antisemitic. She gave some good examples, she pointed out that Travellers, Gypsies, Irish people and Jews were never denied the vote in places like the United States or South Africa. She pointed out that it was only black people who had to sit at the back of the bus ..... If anyone believes she has not got a point, then I dont think your thinking clearly.Diane Abbott, as much as I disagree with her brand of Labour, did not say anything antisemitic, and as much as I hope Keir Starmer will be our next PM, on this I disagree with him, to a large degree his hand is been forced by over sensetive press and media. Black people have never been the subject of genocide simply because they were black. Black people have not been driven out of almost every country in the Middle East - in fact I'm struggling to think of a single country where blacks were driven out of. But the silly bint thinks that Jews have not suffered the same level of discrimination as black people... Its not a competition as to which group of people have suffered the most, YES I get the point about Jewish people been the victims of the worst single act of attrocity in history (The Holocaust), and black people were enslavened and treated like animals for 200 years. My point was that Diane Abbott did not specifically say anything that was racist against Jewish people, and neither did the Labour candidate in the Rochdale By Election.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 22:52:47 GMT
In other news Hester said nothing racist and is not a racist . Patently true. However that wont stop Labour trying to make a big deal out of it while insisting that Dale Vince who donated £2½ million to Labour and describes Hamas as Freedom Fighters is perfectly fine and dandy.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 19, 2024 22:55:06 GMT
Black people have never been the subject of genocide simply because they were black. Black people have not been driven out of almost every country in the Middle East - in fact I'm struggling to think of a single country where blacks were driven out of. But the silly bint thinks that Jews have not suffered the same level of discrimination as black people... Its not a competition as to which group of people have suffered the most, YES I get the point about Jewish people been the victims of the worst single act of attrocity in history (The Holocaust), and black people were enslavened and treated like animals for 200 years. My point was that Diane Abbott did not specifically say anything that was racist against Jewish people, and neither did the Labour candidate in the Rochdale By Election. she said that the Jews had not experienced racism - denying that they have suffered some of the worst racism in history and seeking to minimise that suffering is pretty antisemitic.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 19, 2024 22:55:11 GMT
Black people have never been the subject of genocide simply because they were black. Black people have not been driven out of almost every country in the Middle East - in fact I'm struggling to think of a single country where blacks were driven out of. But the silly bint thinks that Jews have not suffered the same level of discrimination as black people... Its not a competition as to which group of people have suffered the most, YES I get the point about Jewish people been the victims of the worst single act of attrocity in history (The Holocaust), and black people were enslavened and treated like animals for 200 years. My point was that Diane Abbott did not specifically say anything that was racist against Jewish people, and neither did the Labour candidate in the Rochdale By Election. And white people were enslaved by the Barbary pirates over centuries . You complain that it’s not a competition and at the same time want to compete in one.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 19, 2024 22:57:24 GMT
In other news Hester said nothing racist and is not a racist . Patently true. However that wont stop Labour trying to make a big deal out of it while insisting that Dale Vince who donated £2½ million to Labour and describes Hamas as Freedom Fighters is perfectly fine and dandy. Thing is Red . Witchy must have some spent some time with his mental gymnastics to exonerate Abbott. So it follows that others can exonerate Hester by looking at it from a point that differs from his l
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 19, 2024 23:04:25 GMT
Its not a competition as to which group of people have suffered the most, YES I get the point about Jewish people been the victims of the worst single act of attrocity in history (The Holocaust), and black people were enslavened and treated like animals for 200 years. My point was that Diane Abbott did not specifically say anything that was racist against Jewish people, and neither did the Labour candidate in the Rochdale By Election. she said that the Jews had not experienced racism - denying that they have suffered some of the worst racism in history and seeking to minimise that suffering is pretty antisemitic. WRONG ... Diane Abbott did not say that Jewish people had not experienced racism, she said that Jewish people did not experience the same level of racism, as in on a day to day basis. Diane Abbott is a fool, she opens her mouth and says the wrong things sometimes, but I am adament that she is 100% NOT a racist or antisemitic.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 23:31:27 GMT
she said that the Jews had not experienced racism - denying that they have suffered some of the worst racism in history and seeking to minimise that suffering is pretty antisemitic. WRONG ... Diane Abbott did not say that Jewish people had not experienced racism, she said that Jewish people did not experience the same level of racism, as in on a day to day basis. Diane Abbott is a fool, she opens her mouth and says the wrong things sometimes, but I am adament that she is 100% NOT a racist or antisemitic. You say Abbott is not a racist... I'm reminded of her saying 'West Indian mothers go to the wall for their children'. Yet when Andrew Neil asked her if she thought white mothers go to the wall for their children, she refused to answer. All she needed to say was yes, but she absolutely refused to answer. That was many years ago on a programme called 'This Week', and it was the moment I realised that Diane Abbott was a racist. But it's OK, it doesn't matter, she's black and in 21st century UK racism is a one way street.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 20, 2024 2:04:20 GMT
she said that the Jews had not experienced racism - denying that they have suffered some of the worst racism in history and seeking to minimise that suffering is pretty antisemitic. WRONG ... Diane Abbott did not say that Jewish people had not experienced racism, she said that Jewish people did not experience the same level of racism, as in on a day to day basis. Diane Abbott is a fool, she opens her mouth and says the wrong things sometimes, but I am adament that she is 100% NOT a racist or antisemitic. Rubbish.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 20, 2024 2:21:56 GMT
she said that the Jews had not experienced racism - denying that they have suffered some of the worst racism in history and seeking to minimise that suffering is pretty antisemitic. WRONG ... Diane Abbott did not say that Jewish people had not experienced racism, she said that Jewish people did not experience the same level of racism, as in on a day to day basis. Diane Abbott is a fool, she opens her mouth and says the wrong things sometimes, but I am adament that she is 100% NOT a racist or antisemitic.Couldn’t you apply the same logic to Hester? Its a simple uestion.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2024 4:50:00 GMT
In other news Hester said nothing racist and is not a racist .Unlike abbot of course.....Even corbyn hid her away at the last GE and it seems he was giving her one at that time..... Bloody hell, Rayner and Abbott pinned up on your toilet room door!
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