ginnyg2
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Post by ginnyg2 on Mar 16, 2024 10:47:08 GMT
thecritic.co.uk/bad-penny/In a three-minute film, Britain is portrayed as a nation of shopkeepers, farmers and primary school teachers smiling under the benevolent gaze of Tory titans including Churchill and Thatcher. A soothing narrator, with an accent last heard on a 1980s “Protect and Survive” broadcast, tells the Tory faithful, “In this contest there will be a focus on policy and what we will do. But there must be focus on who we are.” Given this it is fair to ask, who exactly is Penny Mordaunt? “A warrior for the trans lobby” The implicit message of her campaign is that unlike the feckless, morally-challenged incumbent, the Minister of State for Trade and member for Portsmouth North is an upstanding traditionalist with firm British values. To this end, even before announcing her intention to run, Mordaunt sought to fend off accusations of being on the “woke wing” of the party.
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Post by om15 on Mar 16, 2024 10:59:29 GMT
I understand that she is likely to lose her seat at the General Election.
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 16, 2024 11:55:32 GMT
The people who ruined the Tory Party were the Eurosceptics, they are the people who caused several short lived but destructive civil wars in the Conservative Party.
Thatcher was Pro European, perhaps not to the extent of political integration, but she believed in a Pan-European community of trade and co-operation. Sir Winston Churchill believed in a "United States of Europe", Ted Heath believed in the European Union, as did John Major.
The Euro Sceptics have killed off a large part of the decent Tories, the moderates, the ones who were statesmen, cultured, internationally respected.
NOW ... The Tory Party doesn't know what it is, the civil war between the Right-Populists-Eurosceptics Versus the moderates, the traditional Conservatives, the REAL Centre Right, rages on.
The Conservative Party needs a spell in opposition in order that they can sort out who they are, and what they stand for. A governing political party in the middle of a battle for control, is not good for our country.
John Major was perhaps the last Tory Prime Minister we could describe as "Old School", and he was brought down by the Euro Sceptics, and Cameron saw his demise brought about by a broken, divided Britain caused by a referendum.
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Post by patman post on Mar 16, 2024 11:57:48 GMT
I understand that she is likely to lose her seat at the General Election. From where do you get that understanding…? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 16, 2024 12:29:56 GMT
I understand that she is likely to lose her seat at the General Election. Normally that would be cause for celebration, but I fear the proles of Portsmouth will replace her with an even woker rep. It's what proles do. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 16, 2024 12:33:25 GMT
I understand that she is likely to lose her seat at the General Election. From where do you get that understanding…? The 14 Cabinet ministers and Tory big beasts set to lose seats at next election...
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 16, 2024 12:39:13 GMT
From where do you get that understanding…? The 14 Cabinet ministers and Tory big beasts set to lose seats at next election...
If the Tories ditch Sunak NOW, that could all change, they already know this, so why aren't they getting rid of him. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 12:40:35 GMT
I understand that she is likely to lose her seat at the General Election. I suspect she will be in good company. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 16, 2024 12:42:41 GMT
The 14 Cabinet ministers and Tory big beasts set to lose seats at next election...
If the Tories ditch Sunak NOW, that could all change, they already know this, so why aren't they getting rid of him. Maybe they think that labour could do an even better job of fucking up our country. Well they aint wrong there... |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 16, 2024 12:45:48 GMT
The people who ruined the Tory Party were the Eurosceptics, they are the people who caused several short lived but destructive civil wars in the Conservative Party. Thatcher was Pro European, perhaps not to the extent of political integration, but she believed in a Pan-European community of trade and co-operation. Sir Winston Churchill believed in a "United States of Europe", Ted Heath believed in the European Union, as did John Major. The Euro Sceptics have killed off a large part of the decent Tories, the moderates, the ones who were statesmen, cultured, internationally respected. NOW ... The Tory Party doesn't know what it is, the civil war between the Right-Populists-Eurosceptics Versus the moderates, the traditional Conservatives, the REAL Centre Right, rages on. The Conservative Party needs a spell in opposition in order that they can sort out who they are, and what they stand for. A governing political party in the middle of a battle for control, is not good for our country. John Major was perhaps the last Tory Prime Minister we could describe as "Old School", and he was brought down by the Euro Sceptics, and Cameron saw his demise brought about by a broken, divided Britain caused by a referendum. To that in bold many people (including me) who voted leave were quite happy with what was the common market and also cooperation with our neighbours,what we did not signup to was the hot air academy in Brussels we have enough hot air in wasteminster and all the accompanying creeping federalisation in various treaties which we were never consulted on. So despite all the accusations of idiocy and ignorance levelled at the leave voters they were the ones who were educated enough to know what they’d signed up to and how the various treaties were slowly entangling us in to a federal state without consultation. When given the opportunity to have their say they did and we left,laughably on another forum the self proclaimed better educated and informed who crowed the superiority of thought then went on to moan that brexit meant they’d lose the right to roam with mobiles and so couldn’t contact their pals whilst on the ski slopes. what pitiful reasoning to remain in an ever encompassing federal project. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 16, 2024 12:48:05 GMT
If the Tories ditch Sunak NOW, that could all change, they already know this, so why aren't they getting rid of him. Maybe they think labour could do a better an even job of fucking up our country. Well they aint wrong there... I think you are right, I think they want Labour in, the Tories are burnt out, they'll let Labour in and by the time Labour have finished destroying the country people will be begging for the Tories to get back in. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 13:05:28 GMT
The people who ruined the Tory Party were the Eurosceptics, they are the people who caused several short lived but destructive civil wars in the Conservative Party. Thatcher was Pro European, perhaps not to the extent of political integration, but she believed in a Pan-European community of trade and co-operation. Sir Winston Churchill believed in a "United States of Europe", Ted Heath believed in the European Union, as did John Major. The Euro Sceptics have killed off a large part of the decent Tories, the moderates, the ones who were statesmen, cultured, internationally respected. NOW ... The Tory Party doesn't know what it is, the civil war between the Right-Populists-Eurosceptics Versus the moderates, the traditional Conservatives, the REAL Centre Right, rages on. The Conservative Party needs a spell in opposition in order that they can sort out who they are, and what they stand for. A governing political party in the middle of a battle for control, is not good for our country. John Major was perhaps the last Tory Prime Minister we could describe as "Old School", and he was brought down by the Euro Sceptics, and Cameron saw his demise brought about by a broken, divided Britain caused by a referendum. Churchill wanted a ‘ United States of Europe ‘ but didn’t want the UK to be part of it . Thatcher was pro EU but in her terms . We left the EU but the Tories didn't know what to do afterwards . There was no consensus. we had a chance and our leaders blew it .. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 16, 2024 13:13:47 GMT
It doesn't matter who they put in charge, the current Tory MPs are liberal democratic wokists, they could elect Genghis Khan as leader but none of them would support any Tory principles so no point, the best that we can hope for is a substantial Tory wipeout followed by a robust and active Reform UK opposition, ready to step in at the next election after Labour have demonstrated their total malignant agenda.
Is it my imagination, but I sense that Starmer is not overjoyed at the prospect of being PM of the shambles he is going to inherit. It will be impossible to sort out this mess with the MPs in the Labour party, so it is immaterial who we vote for, the wokist civil service will simply run the country to suit their own agenda and ignore whoever will be in power.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 13:17:01 GMT
It doesn't matter who they put in charge, the current Tory MPs are liberal democratic wokists, they could elect Genghis Khan as leader but none of them would support any Tory principles so no point, the best that we can hope for is a substantial Tory wipeout followed by a robust and active Reform UK opposition, ready to step in at the next election after Labour have demonstrated their total malignant agenda. Is it my imagination, but I sense that Starmer is not overjoyed at the prospect of being PM of the shambles he is going to inherit. It will be impossible to sort out this mess with the MPs in the Labour party, so it is immaterial who we vote for, the wokist civil service will simply run the country to suit their own agenda and ignore whoever will be in power. I’m beginning to wonder whether it’s becoming clear that Western politicians do not actually run the countries that elect them . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 13:17:48 GMT
Churchill wanted a ‘ United States of Europe ‘ but didn’t want the UK to be part of it . Thatcher was pro EU but in her terms . We left the EU but the Tories didn't know what to do afterwards . There was no consensus. we had a chance and our leaders blew it .. Indeed...  |
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