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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 18:51:18 GMT
Two wrongs never make a right, and because Dianne Abbott made comments which were unacceptable about Jewish people, it does not make what Frank Hester said about a black female MP right. The Conservative Party is battling against widespread accusations of racism, in particular anti-Muslim sentiments which are clearly there within the Conservative Party. Yet, Rishi Sunak firstly refused to say that what Hester said was racist ( which it very clearly is ), and now further brings shame on the Conservatives by NOT handing the donation back. The fact that Sir Lindsay Hoyle refused to allow the MP at the centre of this political crisis to stand up and speak, is shamefull, Abbott should have had precedence over EVERYONE under the circumstances. If Sunak was even half a decent man, he would have personally apologised to Abbott, but he couldnt even bring himself to do that. I personally do not like Dianne Abbots brand of Labour, I dont agree with many of her opinions, but disagreeing with someone is not a reason to state in front of an audience of people that "she ought to be shot" or that "she makes you want to hate all black women". The Tories are in trouble, its one thing after another, and now they are guilty of NOT calling out gutter politics, and stamping firmly on politics of hate. Anything Hestor said does not diminish the fact that Abbott is a racist which is why she's suspended and was not allowed to speak in the commons. And lets not forget, Hestor is not an MP. The biggest problem the Tories have is they are grown up. They do not go after every Labour cock-up. They have hardly mentioned Raynor and her tax avoiding property deals, or Labour donor Dale Vince who says Hamas are freedom fighters. Perhaps the Tories should be more like Labour and show far more outrage at Labour discretions? It wouldn't do much for the quality of political debate, but it may level the playing field. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 13, 2024 18:51:57 GMT
Because he wasn’t following the guidelines and was having a social gathering Again not what the two police investigations found. I'm inclined to take their word over that of a clearly heavily biased random on the internet who I believe has no legal qualifications and didn't have access to the evidence and intelligence they had. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2024 18:53:44 GMT
If Hester is an evil racist, why does everyone want to reward him by making him £10million better off?  |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 18:54:03 GMT
Because he wasn’t following the guidelines and was having a social gathering Again not what the two police investigations found. I'm inclined to take their word over that of a clearly heavily biased random on the internet who I believe has no legal qualifications and didn't have access to the evidence and intelligence they had. It’s not about you . Actually it is , it’s about you trying to derail a thread . |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 13, 2024 18:56:20 GMT
Eco idiot Dale Vince said Hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation, are freedom fighters. Should Labour return his £2½ million donation? Btw, promoting a proscribed terrorist organisation is punishable by up to six months in prison. I have been doing some research and reading up on Dale Vince, including a critical article in The Jerusalem Post, and nowhere can I find where he has stated that Hamas are "freedom fighters". But even if indeed he did describe Hamas as "freedom fighters", the very blunt and plain, simple truth is that THEY ARE "Freedom Fighters", they are fighting for the freedom of Palestine and the Palestinian people, however what Hamas, or those purporting to be from Hamas did on October 7th last, was wrong, and cannot be defended. Just because the British government have decided that Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation, DOES NOT mean that the entire population must believe that they are, and if Mr Dale has described Hamas as "freedom fighters" he has not broken any rule or law. Most of the British media including BBC News, Sky, ITN do not refer to Hamas as a terrorist group, instead they point out that "the UK government has classed as a terrorist group". What Isreal has done, and continues to do is 31 times worse than what Hamas did, but the British government sell arms to Israel. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 13, 2024 18:59:14 GMT
No the money should not be returned until he is tried through due process. Until that time he is innocent of any crime irrespective of how many polls one runs. There are many people making judgements about law outside of the law and using subjective opinion to guide restrictions on speech. It is not a crime to be rude about someone nor is it a crime to say not nice things. If there is no one willing to take it to law then it is a non existent crime as the specific charge is racism which of itself is not a crime either as the race laws are laid down in some detail. Labour harping on that it is a crime is electioneering and Sunak accepting a limited position is also electioneering by way of fire fighting. An individual's only obligation is to act within the law. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 19:01:07 GMT
Eco idiot Dale Vince said Hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation, are freedom fighters. Should Labour return his £2½ million donation? Btw, promoting a proscribed terrorist organisation is punishable by up to six months in prison. I have been doing some research and reading up on Dale Vince, including a critical article in The Jerusalem Post, and nowhere can I find where he has stated that Hamas are "freedom fighters". But even if indeed he did describe Hamas as "freedom fighters", the very blunt and plain, simple truth is that THEY ARE "Freedom Fighters", they are fighting for the freedom of Palestine and the Palestinian people, however what Hamas, or those purporting to be from Hamas did on October 7th last, was wrong, and cannot be defended. Just because the British government have decided that Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation, DOES NOT mean that the entire population must believe that they are, and if Mr Dale has described Hamas as "freedom fighters" he has not broken any rule or law. Most of the British media including BBC News, Sky, ITN do not refer to Hamas as a terrorist group, instead they point out that "the UK government has classed as a terrorist group". What Isreal has done, and continues to do is 31 times worse than what Hamas did, but the British government sell arms to Israel. Hamas thinks Jews should be shot or stabbed or raped and shot and stabbed . Hestor only thinks Abbott should be shot . |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 13, 2024 19:02:26 GMT
Hamas murder 1000 innocent Israeli's, and we call them a terrorist organisation
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Israel then murders 30,000 Palestinians, MOSTLY women and children, and we sell them arms
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 19:04:27 GMT
Hamas murder 1000 innocent Israeli's, and we call them a terrorist organisation Meanwhile Israel then murders 30,000 Palestinians, MOSTLY women and children, and we sell them arms If Hamas didn’t kill 1000 Jews then hide behind innocent Palestinians that would not have happened |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 19:14:44 GMT
Eco idiot Dale Vince said Hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation, are freedom fighters. Should Labour return his £2½ million donation? Btw, promoting a proscribed terrorist organisation is punishable by up to six months in prison. I have been doing some research and reading up on Dale Vince, including a critical article in The Jerusalem Post, and nowhere can I find where he has stated that Hamas are "freedom fighters". But even if indeed he did describe Hamas as "freedom fighters", the very blunt and plain, simple truth is that THEY ARE "Freedom Fighters", they are fighting for the freedom of Palestine and the Palestinian people, however what Hamas, or those purporting to be from Hamas did on October 7th last, was wrong, and cannot be defended. Just because the British government have decided that Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation, DOES NOT mean that the entire population must believe that they are, and if Mr Dale has described Hamas as "freedom fighters" he has not broken any rule or law. Most of the British media including BBC News, Sky, ITN do not refer to Hamas as a terrorist group, instead they point out that "the UK government has classed as a terrorist group". What Isreal has done, and continues to do is 31 times worse than what Hamas did, but the British government sell arms to Israel. Hamas is a legally proscribed terrorist group, it doesn't matter what you or the BBC think about that, it's the law. And never forget, the only reason thousands of people have died since 7 Oct last year is because Hamas attacked Israel. Hamas are the architects of this almighty disaster. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 19:23:16 GMT
For the benefit of witchfinder: If Labour thinks donors’ cash donations should be returned when they say extreme things, what do they make of Vince’s views? Late last year on Times Radio, after saying that Hamas should be able to defend itself, Vince stated that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter“. When challenged on the fact that saying Hamas are freedom fighters isn’t the official Labour position, Vince said: “This is my view, this is how I feel“. When can we expect Starmer to announce that the £2.5 million will be returned? link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 19:58:32 GMT
If the Tories don't want the £10m they should give it back to Hester. Trust some left wing website like 38 degrees to whip up some idea that tries to force Hester's money to be given to a charity. What a cheek.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 14, 2024 6:44:33 GMT
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Post by bancroft on Mar 14, 2024 13:49:49 GMT
If the Tories don't want the £10m they should give it back to Hester. Trust some left wing website like 38 degrees to whip up some idea that tries to force Hester's money to be given to a charity. What a cheek. This was in 2019 Labour are trying to hurt the Tories as this chap is still a major donor. It is so long ago the chap does not exactly recall what he said so we will do not know the context relating to the statement. I remember once someone saying on-line in earlier times George Soros would have been shot for attacking sterling in the '90s. The context is so important. Even so this is still alleged discriminatory language nothing has been proved so far. |
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