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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 8, 2024 22:37:50 GMT
This is a bit of a loud and brash American, but he's not trying to sell the American dream so I guess it is tolerable. He is a food scientist and he has figured out the biochemistry of a Big Mac, Mc Fries, Mc Salt, Mc Nuggets and Mc condiments.
Just as a summary, the main problem seems to be the vegetable oils used. There is a whole chain of chemical processes that go on when this stuff is metabolised, but one of the by-products is this stuff that the body can't deal with, since it is unnatural and builds up over time. The argument is simple enough to explain. The amount of seeds needed to make a spoonful of vegetable oil can run into thousands, and back in the days of the jungle we may well have eaten one or two seeds, but we preferred meat. All the fast food joints used to cook the stuff OK because they used beef dripping. Now every single one uses this oil which will eventually lead to cancer and heart disease. I have to confess I have been making this same mistake myself, but it is one of those things a cursory view says eating vegetable oil is OK because it is natural and we eat vegetables anyway. Lately though biochemists have pretty much figured out how the body actually works down to a gene and molecular level, so this is hard science. I've cross-checked this with other food scientists who are all saying the same thing.
By the way, I made a special trip over to the supermarket to get some of this beef dripping to test it out. It's almost half the price of butter and comes in a similar packet. In fact I don't know if you have noticed, but recently the price of vegetable oil has been hiked right up, so no longer is it cheap. This is because a lot of it came from Ukraine, which is now a death zone. I've got a pile of chopped steak which I will use it to make a stew and check the difference. I'm pleased to report the packet says 100% beef dripping. Now see what you get in a Mc D's!
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 12, 2024 9:47:33 GMT
This popped up on my feed too … Interesting.
So how do these vegetable oils cause the cancer and heart disease?
(are they all bad … or is olive oil made from the fruit .. and not the nut element … not so harmful?)
With so much meat being riddled with chemicals from bad factory farming /feed practices …. my guess is some beef dripping might have a hidden ‘time bomb’ inside it … that might chemically mess up our insides … ??
What do your food scientists say about that idea?
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2024 10:14:30 GMT
I also watched this recently.
I am aware of the oil issue and stopped using what they call 'vegetable oil' some time ago (a decade). Another one is 'margarine'. I didn't get far trying to convince some members of my family that margarine wasn't healthy.
I can't believe it's not butter? - then what the fuck is this stuff?
However, this shit is in absolutely every single convenience food - biscuits, crisps, pastries, pies, chips, 'healthy' ready meals, unhealthy ready meals. They probably put it some curries now. There is no easy way to tell if you are eating this so the only way to be sure is to stick to the simple rule of buying identifiable simple foods and preparing meals yourself, rather than 'grabbing' something quickly.
The only part of his meal that wasn't dodgy was the burger itself - ironically, this is the part that is usually identified as 'most unhealthy'. They are selling industrial oils to us as food and even the bacteria won't touch it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 12, 2024 10:36:15 GMT
The only hamburgers safe to eat are those you make yourself from home-ground sirloin with onion and seasonings, grilled on the barbecue. But even they should be a rare treat, once a month at the most.
McDonalds customers are digging their grave with their teeth. The most shocking thing to see are young mothers taking their pre-school children into a McDonalds or some other fast-food joint and pacifying them with 'Happy Meals' or similar garbage. They'll be addicted for life (a short one).
Possibly the only thing worse are ethnic 'take-aways'.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Mar 12, 2024 10:44:02 GMT
The only hamburgers safe to eat are those you make yourself from home-ground sirloin with onion and seasonings, grilled on the barbecue. But even they should be a rare treat, once a month at the most. McDonalds customers are digging their grave with their teeth. The most shocking thing to see are young mothers taking their pre-school children into a McDonalds or some other fast-food joint and pacifying them with 'Happy Meals' or similar garbage. They'll be addicted for life (a short one). Possibly the only thing worse are ethnic 'take-aways'. Agreed. Because there's only two of us so that meat I buy (beef or lamb steaks) will not be wasted I mince some and make burgers. Minted lamb burgers especially! What amused me when we were abroad was the sight of people piling into McDonalds instead of sampling the local food. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 12, 2024 10:52:23 GMT
The only hamburgers safe to eat are those you make yourself from home-ground sirloin with onion and seasonings, grilled on the barbecue. But even they should be a rare treat, once a month at the most. McDonalds customers are digging their grave with their teeth. The most shocking thing to see are young mothers taking their pre-school children into a McDonalds or some other fast-food joint and pacifying them with 'Happy Meals' or similar garbage. They'll be addicted for life (a short one). Possibly the only thing worse are ethnic 'take-aways'. Agreed. Because there's only two of us so that meat I buy (beef or lamb steaks) will not be wasted I mince some and make burgers. Minted lamb burgers especially! What amused me when we were abroad was the sight of people piling into McDonalds instead of sampling the local food. Both the Maccy D drive-ins down here are just a stones-throw away from a recycling center... |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2024 13:16:45 GMT
Anything heavily processed convenience food that could potentially have fat or binder in it is sprayed. That's just about everything that is heavily processed.
They don't (yet) adulterate things like Broccoli, carrots or plain meat/ fish.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 12, 2024 13:35:53 GMT
This popped up on my feed too … Interesting. So how do these vegetable oils cause the cancer and heart disease? (are they all bad … or is olive oil made from the fruit .. and not the nut element … not so harmful?) With so much meat being riddled with chemicals from bad factory farming /feed practices …. my guess is some beef dripping might have a hidden ‘time bomb’ inside it … that might chemically mess up our insides … ?? What do your food scientists say about that idea? Olive oil which is cold pressed and used on salads is fine. Olives are one of the easiest things to extract the oil from. If you need to extract oil from some other plant there are two things you can do. First is to heat it up and use considerable pressure, and the second is to use some chemical extraction process. Unsaturated fat is sensitive to heat where saturated fat is a far more stable molecule and will in the case of beef dripping survive intact up to 450C. If you dig more into the way various oils are manufactured you will see the problem. Like most things we have been lied to and this is why the NHS is struggling with health problems and there is a 7m waiting list. The food liars caused it. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2024 13:47:29 GMT
Bread is another chemical danger area. For the most part i just avoid eating it.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 12, 2024 13:58:18 GMT
The only hamburgers safe to eat are those you make yourself from home-ground sirloin with onion and seasonings, grilled on the barbecue. But even they should be a rare treat, once a month at the most. McDonalds customers are digging their grave with their teeth. The most shocking thing to see are young mothers taking their pre-school children into a McDonalds or some other fast-food joint and pacifying them with 'Happy Meals' or similar garbage. They'll be addicted for life (a short one). Possibly the only thing worse are ethnic 'take-aways'. I think ethnic takeaways might be better than the Brits. You see all the Brits have been lied to about healthy eating where many ethnics stick too fingers up and do it in the traditional way. We had a lot of ethnic places in Manchester. We had Greek, we had an Iraqi place, a Canadian place, Chinese and various curry places. I think the traditional way to do a curry is using ghee. Ghee is one that sits in the middle. You can tell by the viscosity. The high danger is the vegetable oils used for frying above 200C. I don't think anyone does chips in animal fat now. All the chippies used to. We were told they were the most unhealthy of places because they used animal fat. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2024 14:22:34 GMT
Donner kebabs almost certainly contain this guff. The other varieties are just grilled meat and veg. However, they may well spray their vegetables. Vegetable oil is everywhere because the official story is that it's not a problem
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Post by wapentake on Mar 12, 2024 14:29:43 GMT
Well reading this thread cheered me up no end
I guess we are told something is the must have healthy food,then it is then it isn’t drives you mad the whole egg thing was enough on its own.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 12, 2024 15:13:23 GMT
Donner kebabs almost certainly contain this guff. The other varieties are just grilled meat and veg. However, they may well spray their vegetables. Vegetable oil is everywhere because the official story is that it's not a problem This use of vegetable oil is totally universal now. You will get it at any takeaway, any restaurant, any meals around friend's houses, and it is universal in supermarket food and health food shops. The other dodgy ingredients vary from one supermarket to the next. My experience is Morrisons are pretty good when it comes to their ingredients as far as I can tell, but then as you would expect, you will find trouble occurring in the processing of food which is not specified. The news is I guess, that you either cook it all yourself or you will eventually suffer health problems.
If you cook yourself then from the research I have seen it is beef & lamb which is the most healthy, or other red meats. Red meat contains all the essential chemicals your body needs in perfect proportion, and out of those it can synthesise all the rest. However the advice also says you should try and vary your diet as much as possible because each type of plant contains all manner of different chemicals which are good for you, so by variety you average things out. It is also recommended you don't eat sugar and you don't eat too much carbohydrate, although bread and potatoes are a better form than the more potent pure sugar because it is slower burning. It is also said you should cook your vegetables because that helps extract the nutrients, but not to burn anything, because as you turn it to carbon, there is a form of carbon that can form with incomplete combustion which is cancerous, so flame-grilled meat is dodgy as well.
If you have any tips to add then that would be welcome. My info comes from a number of sources. Prof. Tim Spector is good and has done some good research on microbes in the body. Chemicals can destroy them, but they are necessary for healthy living.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 12, 2024 15:38:53 GMT
At least it's not a dog or a bat, like they have to eat in China because it's so shit over there.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 12, 2024 15:45:02 GMT
The only hamburgers safe to eat are those you make yourself from home-ground sirloin with onion and seasonings, grilled on the barbecue. But even they should be a rare treat, once a month at the most. Ham is pig, Beef is cow. Americanisms. ----------------- Anyone noticed everything has palm oil in it now? It's named after the place not what's in it. |
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