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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 16:46:56 GMT
I've been pondering this for a while now. I've also spent a lot of my life thinking about nature and mathematics. Nature is full of continuous functions. For example, with the weather, we don't get hot or cold weather, we get a whole range of temperatures, and if you plot the average over the year it is a nice smooth function. Everywhere you look though in Britain you get duality. You can be innocent or guilty in law. You can be left or right, north or south (never east or west of course).
There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. We talk about the economy and immediately the Brit brain locks into the concept of rich people and poor people. I listen to this crap every day on social media and find it really ignorant. Since I have an interest in psychology I regularly conduct my own social experiments on social media, and one very strong result is that unless you reduce to binary, the comment does not have any traction. You can carefully describe a shape of a functional relationship, but that won't do as it is presumably admitting too much complexity. I'm supposing there is some kind of mass mental problem in this country which is brought about by brains adapting to this reductionist way of seeing the world so they do it automatically, like picking up a habit which is ultimately very destructive to their level of intelligence, hence why nothing works properly. You see the world with a resolution of one pixel and that pixel can only be black or white.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 4, 2024 16:53:53 GMT
I thought the mindzone was polite conversation 🤐
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 16:55:45 GMT
I was introduced to the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang a couple of decades ago. It can be used to explain or apply to just about anything .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 17:42:09 GMT
I was introduced to the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang a couple of decades ago. It can be used to explain or apply to just about anything . That's 500BC. Apparently an earlier example is from Persia called Zoroastrianism, which is supposed to have influenced later regions and which is said to have originated 2nd millennium BC. No wonder the Iranians are so damn crazy. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 18:02:13 GMT
I was introduced to the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang a couple of decades ago. It can be used to explain or apply to just about anything . That's 500BC. Apparently an earlier example is from Persia called Zoroastrianism, which is supposed to have influenced later regions and which is said to have originated 2nd millennium BC. No wonder the Iranians are so damn crazy. Probably . Never thought about it . It stands on its own for me. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 18:15:12 GMT
That's 500BC. Apparently an earlier example is from Persia called Zoroastrianism, which is supposed to have influenced later regions and which is said to have originated 2nd millennium BC. No wonder the Iranians are so damn crazy. Probably . Never thought about it . It stands on its own for me. It trickled down through Judaism and then on to Christianity, which is why we get it so strongly in the Anglo- American cultures. The Jews were the ones who were responsible for a lot of legal stuff. You can't plead 2/3 innocent even when there is nothing in blame which says it needs to be apportioned completely to one wrongun. The boundary is discontinuous. You rarely get discontinuous boundaries in nature since it implies the derivative is infinity, which does not work well in reality. We don't see infinity in quantity of anything. An infinity in physics maths often implies something is very wrong with the calculation. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 18:26:13 GMT
Probably . Never thought about it . It stands on its own for me. It trickled down through Judaism and then on to Christianity, which is why we get it so strongly in the Anglo- American cultures. The Jews were the ones who were responsible for a lot of legal stuff. You can't plead 2/3 innocent even when there is nothing in blame which says it needs to be apportioned completely to one wrongun. The boundary is discontinuous. You rarely get discontinuous boundaries in nature since it implies the derivative is infinity, which does not work well in reality. We don't see infinity in quantity of anything. An infinity in physics maths often implies something is very wrong with the calculation. The concept of yin Yang isn’t known in Anglo - American cultures . The nearest thing I can think of is Aristotle’s Golden mean. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 19:24:14 GMT
It trickled down through Judaism and then on to Christianity, which is why we get it so strongly in the Anglo- American cultures. The Jews were the ones who were responsible for a lot of legal stuff. You can't plead 2/3 innocent even when there is nothing in blame which says it needs to be apportioned completely to one wrongun. The boundary is discontinuous. You rarely get discontinuous boundaries in nature since it implies the derivative is infinity, which does not work well in reality. We don't see infinity in quantity of anything. An infinity in physics maths often implies something is very wrong with the calculation. The concept of yin Yang isn’t known in Anglo - American cultures . The nearest thing I can think of is Aristotle’s Golden mean. Our duality is heaven and hell. Aldous Huxley did a book entitled the same. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 19:30:52 GMT
The concept of yin Yang isn’t known in Anglo - American cultures . The nearest thing I can think of is Aristotle’s Golden mean. Our duality is heaven and hell. Aldous Huxley did a book entitled the same. The concept of yin and Yang denies duality . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 19:33:15 GMT
Our duality is heaven and hell. Aldous Huxley did a book entitled the same. The concept of yin and Yang denies duality . So why is it not just a grey circle then? What's with the black and the white? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 19:36:09 GMT
The concept of yin and Yang denies duality . So why is it not just a grey circle then? What's with the black and the white? It isn’t just black and white . Nothing is totally yin or yang . Notice the black dot in the white and the white dot in the black. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 19:44:18 GMT
So why is it not just a grey circle then? What's with the black and the white? It isn’t just black and white . Nothing is totally yin or yang . Notice the black dot in the white and the white dot in the black. Ah OK then. I can't claim to know a lot about it except for the symbol itself. I don't think the Chinese suffer such sharp dualistic thinking. Of course they can be brainwashed into it, but I personally see their way of thinking more as the Brits once were. We were more moderate. The hard nuts are the fundamentalist religions. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 20:03:05 GMT
It isn’t just black and white . Nothing is totally yin or yang . Notice the black dot in the white and the white dot in the black. Ah OK then. I can't claim to know a lot about it except for the symbol itself. I don't think the Chinese suffer such sharp dualistic thinking. Of course they can be brainwashed into it, but I personally see their way of thinking more as the Brits once were. We were more moderate. The hard nuts are the fundamentalist religions. I think that goes for a lot of far East philosophy and religion but I don’t know for sure . They seem to use a lot of allegories and see them as allegories rather than fact . Chinese writing is pictorial and every symbol seems to depict some or many things . I only got this stuff from people who studied and/or lived with Chinese . I once used a Chinese doctor for Chinese medicine. I heard there was a traditional one in London and another one in Harlow Essex . That was an education. I spoke to the doctor quite a lot through an interpreter ( the Harlow shop owner ) . He told me lots of stuff . His only certificate was a small but of paper with writing on it . He told me that certificates were not important in China ,only experience. It was total bollocks of course ..except for the fact that his medicine ( including wasp nests and dead bees ) pretty much cured the condition I asked him to treat and another serious condition as well. We used to sit and drink oolong tea after a consolation. Happy days . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 20:39:28 GMT
Ah OK then. I can't claim to know a lot about it except for the symbol itself. I don't think the Chinese suffer such sharp dualistic thinking. Of course they can be brainwashed into it, but I personally see their way of thinking more as the Brits once were. We were more moderate. The hard nuts are the fundamentalist religions. I think that goes for a lot of far East philosophy and religion but I don’t know for sure . They seem to use a lot of allegories and see them as allegories rather than fact . Chinese writing is pictorial and every symbol seems to depict some or many things . I only got this stuff from people who studied and/or lived with Chinese . I once used a Chinese doctor for Chinese medicine. I heard there was a traditional one in London and another one in Harlow Essex . That was an education. I spoke to the doctor quite a lot through an interpreter ( the Harlow shop owner ) . He told me lots of stuff . His only certificate was a small but of paper with writing on it . He told me that certificates were not important in China ,only experience. It was total bollocks of course ..except for the fact that his medicine ( including wasp nests and dead bees ) pretty much cured the condition I asked him to treat and another serious condition as well. We used to sit and drink oolong tea after a consolation. Happy days . You should be able to find quite a few pharmaceuticals medicines that are synthetic copies of some of these Chinese herbal cures. It's thousands of years of trial and error, but something I learnt recently was the vaccine was first invented in part in China. The French sussed the final step out, but without China, who knows how long it would have taken. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 20:51:56 GMT
I think that goes for a lot of far East philosophy and religion but I don’t know for sure . They seem to use a lot of allegories and see them as allegories rather than fact . Chinese writing is pictorial and every symbol seems to depict some or many things . I only got this stuff from people who studied and/or lived with Chinese . I once used a Chinese doctor for Chinese medicine. I heard there was a traditional one in London and another one in Harlow Essex . That was an education. I spoke to the doctor quite a lot through an interpreter ( the Harlow shop owner ) . He told me lots of stuff . His only certificate was a small but of paper with writing on it . He told me that certificates were not important in China ,only experience. It was total bollocks of course ..except for the fact that his medicine ( including wasp nests and dead bees ) pretty much cured the condition I asked him to treat and another serious condition as well. We used to sit and drink oolong tea after a consolation. Happy days . You should be able to find quite a few pharmaceuticals medicines that are synthetic copies of some of these Chinese herbal cures. It's thousands of years of trial and error, but something I learnt recently was the vaccine was first invented in part in China. The French sussed the final step out, but without China, who knows how long it would have taken. A pill might have been better than boiling the ingredients in a glass pot for 40 minutes and drinking the gloop. |
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