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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2024 21:06:58 GMT
You should be able to find quite a few pharmaceuticals medicines that are synthetic copies of some of these Chinese herbal cures. It's thousands of years of trial and error, but something I learnt recently was the vaccine was first invented in part in China. The French sussed the final step out, but without China, who knows how long it would have taken. A pill might have been better than boiling the ingredients in a glass pot for 40 minutes and drinking the gloop. It does not surprise me being in and around London. It's the trendy thing these days and is sold as natural.
Anyway, this dualism issue was one of the things Edward de Bono used to talk about and has written books about. The western education system was totally dismissive of his results, but he demonstrated them in practice, and those tutored in his original ways of teaching went on to achieve fantastic academic results in life. The only government to take him seriously was the Chinese, and they agreed to incorporate it into the state education system. His last words I heard on that was that regarding the West, "They had better watch out". I regard him as one of my heroes. He was a physician in Malta. I found out my Maltese woman's father was friends with him as he was a physician of the same time. Small world eh! I used to read his books in school.
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Post by piglet on Mar 5, 2024 12:24:41 GMT
I dont think society is like that Baron, it functions with the knowledge that nothing is perfect, its all about giving it a go. There is an on balance function, for instance the generalisation that the Tories should be fired is correct.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 5, 2024 12:36:21 GMT
I've been pondering this for a while now. I've also spent a lot of my life thinking about nature and mathematics. Nature is full of continuous functions. For example, with the weather, we don't get hot or cold weather, we get a whole range of temperatures, and if you plot the average over the year it is a nice smooth function. Everywhere you look though in Britain you get duality. You can be innocent or guilty in law. You can be left or right, north or south (never east or west of course).
There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. We talk about the economy and immediately the Brit brain locks into the concept of rich people and poor people. I listen to this crap every day on social media and find it really ignorant. Since I have an interest in psychology I regularly conduct my own social experiments on social media, and one very strong result is that unless you reduce to binary, the comment does not have any traction. You can carefully describe a shape of a functional relationship, but that won't do as it is presumably admitting too much complexity. I'm supposing there is some kind of mass mental problem in this country which is brought about by brains adapting to this reductionist way of seeing the world so they do it automatically, like picking up a habit which is ultimately very destructive to their level of intelligence, hence why nothing works properly. You see the world with a resolution of one pixel and that pixel can only be black or white.
don't read it then.... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2024 13:39:44 GMT
I've been pondering this for a while now. I've also spent a lot of my life thinking about nature and mathematics. Nature is full of continuous functions. For example, with the weather, we don't get hot or cold weather, we get a whole range of temperatures, and if you plot the average over the year it is a nice smooth function. Everywhere you look though in Britain you get duality. You can be innocent or guilty in law. You can be left or right, north or south (never east or west of course).
There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. We talk about the economy and immediately the Brit brain locks into the concept of rich people and poor people. I listen to this crap every day on social media and find it really ignorant. Since I have an interest in psychology I regularly conduct my own social experiments on social media, and one very strong result is that unless you reduce to binary, the comment does not have any traction. You can carefully describe a shape of a functional relationship, but that won't do as it is presumably admitting too much complexity. I'm supposing there is some kind of mass mental problem in this country which is brought about by brains adapting to this reductionist way of seeing the world so they do it automatically, like picking up a habit which is ultimately very destructive to their level of intelligence, hence why nothing works properly. You see the world with a resolution of one pixel and that pixel can only be black or white.
don't read it then.... I try not to but lately I'm plagued with some ignorant fools regurgitating it to me. It infuses into the minds of the nation. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 5, 2024 14:37:56 GMT
I try not to but lately I'm plagued with some ignorant fools regurgitating it to me. It infuses into the minds of the nation. still not sure what your problem is...you say "There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. " and you turn to social media??? For what...validation....that's all social media is...a bunch of anonymous people needing their lives validated by complete strangers in order to feel good about themselves.....anyway my suggestion is not to get to overwrought about what you read on social media. Cheers |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 5, 2024 14:50:22 GMT
I thought the mindzone was polite conversation 🤐 It is. The OP is a breach of the rules. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2024 15:11:08 GMT
I try not to but lately I'm plagued with some ignorant fools regurgitating it to me. It infuses into the minds of the nation. still not sure what your problem is...you say "There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. " and you turn to social media??? For what...validation....that's all social media is...a bunch of anonymous people needing their lives validated by complete strangers in order to feel good about themselves.....anyway my suggestion is not to get to overwrought about what you read on social media. Cheers The same bullshit is evident down the pub and so on. It's not how or where you listen to the people of this country, it is how they think. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2024 15:12:52 GMT
I thought the mindzone was polite conversation 🤐 It is. The OP is a breach of the rules. You are supposed to stay on topic. Do you have anything to contribute to this topic or not? |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 5, 2024 15:33:06 GMT
still not sure what your problem is...you say "There is this overwhelming desire, in order to communicate to someone a thought that will be comprehended, that the complexities of reality need to be divided into exactly two pieces. " and you turn to social media??? For what...validation....that's all social media is...a bunch of anonymous people needing their lives validated by complete strangers in order to feel good about themselves.....anyway my suggestion is not to get to overwrought about what you read on social media. Cheers The same bullshit is evident down the pub and so on. It's not how or where you listen to the people of this country, it is how they think. so...ermm...you're mildly miffed that... a) people aren't listening to me b) People don't agree with me c) People don't understand me d) people think I'm being a smart arse Not sure about your pub...is it The Eagle on Bene't St by any chance?...Anyway generally down our pub people are talking about Lewis Hamilton's daft move....or Klopp being a numpty....you know....stuff like that.....  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2024 15:40:06 GMT
The same bullshit is evident down the pub and so on. It's not how or where you listen to the people of this country, it is how they think. so...ermm...you're mildly miffed that... a) people aren't listening to me b) People don't agree with me c) People don't understand me d) people think I'm being a smart arse Not sure about your pub...is it The Eagle on Bene't St by any chance?...Anyway generally down our pub people are talking about Lewis Hamilton's daft move....or Klopp being a numpty....you know....stuff like that..... I just used a familiar example of another place one might meet and be able to communicate with fellow Brits. It has nothing to do with me though because I don't drink alcohol. |
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Post by piglet on Mar 6, 2024 11:26:51 GMT
In Cambridge then scotty.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 9, 2024 10:11:03 GMT
Title: “ The biggest ever f*ckup in thinking: dualism “
Funny how the Moderators here are too lazy to even apply a decent word filter in the Mind Zone? …. looks like my recent suspension was a sham.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 9, 2024 14:34:35 GMT
Title: “ The biggest ever f*ckup in thinking: dualism “ Funny how the Moderators here are too lazy to even apply a decent word filter in the Mind Zone? …. looks like my recent suspension was a sham. The thing was though I was not insulting anyone. This state of affairs has just come about, like some canonical state of the system. People are influenced subconsciously and just fit in to the state of the system. The dual representations may well have come from some rhetorical trick the media adapted to. Further back it may have come from the American evangelical community, where the preacher stands up and claims there is a heaven and a hell/ the good path and the evil path etc. You may like to conduct some social experiments yourself where you introduce a multitude of different possible scenarios and use proportionality in your arguments. You find the masses just don't get it. You might also like to study differential geometry. It will help you to manipulate things closer to how they appear in nature. For example the wind is really a vector field. Saying it is blowing one way or the other way is a gross form of reductionism. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 9, 2024 14:41:34 GMT
I was introduced to the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang a couple of decades ago. It can be used to explain or apply to just about anything . That's 500BC. Apparently an earlier example is from Persia called Zoroastrianism, which is supposed to have influenced later regions and which is said to have originated 2nd millennium BC. No wonder the Iranians are so damn crazy. Yet the Arab warlords conquered Persia so not sure we can blame it on Zoroastrianism. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 9, 2024 14:46:53 GMT
I read a Jesuit priest said the Romans were worried about losing influence after repeated invasions from barbarians and so decided to groom an Arab warlord to destroy the Jews and Christian in North Africa who followed agnostic religions.
The warlord of course was Mohammed who decided why stop in North Africa meanwhile Roman Catholicism started to take root to capture hearts and minds of Western Europe and Eastern Roman republic.
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