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Post by sheepy on Mar 4, 2024 8:40:40 GMT
Now you are rambling, I said a new peak. im not rambling. Those pictures were from 1980. Ive explained why I posted them regarding dans navel gazing. Fuck knows what they are to do with independence support being taken to a new peak when indy support was still around the 20 odd percent mark nearly thirty years later.? When you voted for Brexit , you probably did more damage to the union than Maggie thatcher ever did. But isn't that the whole point of Scottish Nationalism then? As much damage to the union as possible even if it means being controlled by a foreign entity? Basically, in revenge for the destruction of community? While the SNP amongst others milk it for all its worth? while blaming Brexit or anything else that could give it a lift on the bandwagon? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 8:56:01 GMT
im not rambling. Those pictures were from 1980. Ive explained why I posted them regarding dans navel gazing. Fuck knows what they are to do with independence support being taken to a new peak when indy support was still around the 20 odd percent mark nearly thirty years later.? When you voted for Brexit , you probably did more damage to the union than Maggie thatcher ever did. But isn't that the whole point of Scottish Nationalism then? As much damage to the union as possible even if it means being controlled by a foreign entity? Basically, in revenge for the destruction of community? While the SNP amongst others milk it for all its worth? while blaming Brexit or anything else that could give it a lift on the bandwagon? sheepy , you can moan all day long, but you had the chance to convince scotland regarding Brexit in 2016 , as ive told you numerous times , and you failed to do so. What do you mean as much damage to the union ? the point of Scottish nationalism is to end the union obviously , and im saying you have done more damage to it than any politician I can think of . you have lost me? My community hasnt been destroyed. Isnt it you and yours who are moaning about your communities being destroyed ? im free to disagree with you over Brexit all I want , and every time there is a vote , I shall be enforcing that disagreement by giving pro European parties a mandate. Political parties are free to take advantage of the mess Brexit has left in its wake. Brexit isnt the cause of most of the uks problems as ive said , merely a symptom of it , but come next election , and the next , im voting for many different things including supporting the EU. If you feel Brexit hasnt been success that's not my fault. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 4, 2024 8:57:59 GMT
But isn't that the whole point of Scottish Nationalism then? As much damage to the union as possible even if it means being controlled by a foreign entity? Basically, in revenge for the destruction of community? While the SNP amongst others milk it for all its worth? while blaming Brexit or anything else that could give it a lift on the bandwagon? sheepy , you can moan all day long, but you had the chance to convince scotland regarding Brexit in 2016 , as ive told you numerous times , and you failed to do so. What do you mean as much damage to the union ? the point of Scottish nationalism is to end the union obviously , and im saying you have done more damage to it than any politician I can think of . you have lost me? My community hasnt been destroyed. Isnt it you and yours who are moaning about your communities being destroyed ? im free to disagree with you over Brexit all I want , and every time there is a vote , I shall be enforcing that disagreement by giving pro European parties a mandate. Political parties are free to take advantage of the mess Brexit has left in its wake. Brexit isnt the cause of most of the uks problems as ive said , merely a symptom of it , but come next election , and the next , im voting for many different things including supporting the EU. If you feel Brexit hasnt been success that's not my fault. I am not moaning just pointing out the facts, which seem to escape you when you think nobody knows. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
sheepy , you can moan all day long, but you had the chance to convince scotland regarding Brexit in 2016 , as ive told you numerous times , and you failed to do so. What do you mean as much damage to the union ? the point of Scottish nationalism is to end the union obviously , and im saying you have done more damage to it than any politician I can think of . you have lost me? My community hasnt been destroyed. Isnt it you and yours who are moaning about your communities being destroyed ? im free to disagree with you over Brexit all I want , and every time there is a vote , I shall be enforcing that disagreement by giving pro European parties a mandate. Political parties are free to take advantage of the mess Brexit has left in its wake. Brexit isnt the cause of most of the uks problems as ive said , merely a symptom of it , but come next election , and the next , im voting for many different things including supporting the EU. If you feel Brexit hasnt been success that's not my fault. I am not moaning just pointing out the facts, which seem to escape you when you think nobody knows. you have lost me sheepy. You implied Scottish indy somehow peaked because you saw some pictures of 1980s Glasgow , and then got upset because after all these years , I still dont support Brexit. you've been telling me for years the populists are going to take control , and yet the only populist ive seen elected to your parliament has been galloway in rochdale. The fact is , the tories are about to get humped in the upcoming general election , and starmer is taking you back into the EU behind the Brussels bike sheds , and mass uncontrolled immigration continues unabated wether red or blue tory is in power. Im not , and never have been on your political side . Thats the facts. So apart from our acquaintance online these many years , im not sure why you appear to be appealing to me with your politics? |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 4, 2024 9:07:59 GMT
I am not moaning just pointing out the facts, which seem to escape you when you think nobody knows. you have lost me sheepy. You implied Scottish indy somehow peaked because you saw some pictures of 1980s Glasgow , and then got upset because after all these years , I still dont support Brexit. you've been telling me for years the populists are going to take control , and yet the only populist ive seen elected to your parliament has been galloway in rochdale. The fact is , the tories are about to get humped in the upcoming general election , and starmer is taking you back into the EU behind the Brussels bike sheds , and mass uncontrolled immigration continues unabated wether red or blue tory is in power. Im not , and never have been on your political side . Thats the facts. So apart from our acquaintance online these many years , im not sure why you appear to be appealing to me with your politics? Well, it wasn't difficult was it, because according to you, you know everything about Scottish Nationalism, which you obviously didn't have a clue what forms its basis these days. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:11:41 GMT
you have lost me sheepy. You implied Scottish indy somehow peaked because you saw some pictures of 1980s Glasgow , and then got upset because after all these years , I still dont support Brexit. you've been telling me for years the populists are going to take control , and yet the only populist ive seen elected to your parliament has been galloway in rochdale. The fact is , the tories are about to get humped in the upcoming general election , and starmer is taking you back into the EU behind the Brussels bike sheds , and mass uncontrolled immigration continues unabated wether red or blue tory is in power. Im not , and never have been on your political side . Thats the facts. So apart from our acquaintance online these many years , im not sure why you appear to be appealing to me with your politics? Well, it wasn't difficult was it, because according to you, you know everything about Scottish Nationalism, which you obviously didn't have a clue what forms its basis these days. I dont know everything about Scottish nationalism. I know more than you , true , but not everything. the grassroots and its basis is very different to what you see with the snp and the current party elite. They are a broad church and mixed bag. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:16:09 GMT
Well, call me crazy, but I gathered you didn't get the point from your first post, it doesn't change the fact that you were part of a community. Aye. Scottish and European. A question for you Tommo. Quite a simple one, a yes or no will do.
Do you have a passport?
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:20:53 GMT
Aye. Scottish and European. A question for you Tommo. Quite a simple one, a yes or no will do.
Do you have a passport?
A European travel document? Aye. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:21:19 GMT
Aye. Scottish and European. A question for you Tommo. Quite a simple one, a yes or no will do.
Do you have a passport?
do you have a birth certificate dan? Yes or no will do? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:24:45 GMT
A question for you Tommo. Quite a simple one, a yes or no will do.
Do you have a passport?
A European travel document? Aye. What do you mean by a European travel document? The one given to refugees? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:25:28 GMT
A question for you Tommo. Quite a simple one, a yes or no will do.
Do you have a passport?
do you have a birth certificate dan? Yes or no will do? Yes of course, why do you ask? |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 4, 2024 9:27:08 GMT
The earliest easiest memory's of my life I'm 60 now . Was the unprecedented violence in the late 70s mid 8os .especially the football hooligans.
Remember several times going to Liverpool and feeling my life threatend by young Casuals Stanley Park was notorious for Stanley knife slashing.
I've always lived around the Greater Manchester area my parents was from Ardwick father -mother Gorton
Both areas seen slum Clearence in the late 5os early 60s .
My teens I was a SKa skinhead and brought up in that culture and feel that has much bearing on my life and opinions to this day.
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:30:00 GMT
A European travel document? Aye. What do you mean by a European travel document? The one given to refugees? ive still got my old European Union passport. It hasnt been updated yet. Why do you ask though? You dont have to live in the uk to qualify for a British passport .Ask Gibraltar or the falklands. so it's not a definition of nationality . Merely a travel document , and a hangover from the days of empire when anyone that was part of the old empire could qualify for one. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 9:31:03 GMT
do you have a birth certificate dan? Yes or no will do? Yes of course, why do you ask? Yours is English , (and welsh) mines Scottish. I just thought we were comparing bits of paper ? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:35:32 GMT
What do you mean by a European travel document? The one given to refugees? ive still got my old European Union passport. It hasnt been updated yet. Why do you ask though? You dont have to live in the uk to qualify for a British passport .Ask Gibraltar or the falklands. so it's not a definition of nationality . Merely a travel document , and a hangover from the days of empire when anyone that was part of the old empire could qualify for one. There's no such thing as an EU passport.
What you have is a passport issued by the UK. Take a look at the page with your photo, what does it say under 'Nationality/Nationalité'?
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