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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 14:12:12 GMT
I'm talking about our society, not Britain. Consider me uninterested in Britain ok my apologies. Society isnt collapsing . society is improving all the time. I grew up in thatchers Glasgow of the eighties , and I can assure you society has massively improved since then. There's no nostalgic navel gazing about a better world long gone for me. It does depend on perspective I suppose, my kids childhoods for example is immeasurably better than mine was.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 14:13:12 GMT
I get it to an extent, the world I grew up in is gone forever too, to my kids it would seem like an alien planet. But I don't feel remotely bitter or angry about it, it's plain unrealistic to expect time to stand still. And like they say, it's fun to visit the past but it's no place to live. exactly . Why is people like sandy so remarkably bitter about their world coming to an end , while the same process is happening for you and I but we aren't anything like as bitter.? I grew up in a council tenement in govan in Glasgow. The op of this thread and the article contained within is fucking alien to me. The English world of the fifties , enid Blyton cricket on the village lawn and warm beer and all that nostalgic bollocks. If I came on here , enthusing about some golden age of scotland, I would get laughed off the forum. There is something mentally wrong with many of the English. Im not sure what it is , I keep trying to put my finger on it , but is it the loss of empire and decline they can't handle? I say English , what I really mean is the British nationalists , because sandy of course is Scottish as much as he hates to think of himself so. I come on these forums , and read drivel like the op , and I have to say sometimes it shocks me reading such nonsense. The world moves on , time never stands still , and as I said earlier in one of the threads , was that wee welsh guy gildas sitting moaning about the idyllic British golden era in the fifth century before all those German immigrants sailed over the north sea and took his lands and Called it England? It's fucking fantasy delusion . I don't think it's fair or accurate to try to frame this as an English thing. Nostalgia is universal, it's an emotional reaction to the ageing process.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:16:31 GMT
ok my apologies. Society isnt collapsing . society is improving all the time. I grew up in thatchers Glasgow of the eighties , and I can assure you society has massively improved since then. There's no nostalgic navel gazing about a better world long gone for me. It does depend on perspective I suppose, my kids childhoods for example is immeasurably better than mine was. same with mine. Material wealth is something I didnt have , in my childhood. Much of the technological advances were obviously not there either , but in other ways , I had a great childhood despite the relative poverty. There must have been plenty of poverty around I the fifties as well , in England , so what im not getting is what is behind the nostalgic navel gazing in the op? did all the English of the fifties live in idyllic villages ? somehow I dont think so.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:18:04 GMT
exactly . Why is people like sandy so remarkably bitter about their world coming to an end , while the same process is happening for you and I but we aren't anything like as bitter.? I grew up in a council tenement in govan in Glasgow. The op of this thread and the article contained within is fucking alien to me. The English world of the fifties , enid Blyton cricket on the village lawn and warm beer and all that nostalgic bollocks. If I came on here , enthusing about some golden age of scotland, I would get laughed off the forum. There is something mentally wrong with many of the English. Im not sure what it is , I keep trying to put my finger on it , but is it the loss of empire and decline they can't handle? I say English , what I really mean is the British nationalists , because sandy of course is Scottish as much as he hates to think of himself so. I come on these forums , and read drivel like the op , and I have to say sometimes it shocks me reading such nonsense. The world moves on , time never stands still , and as I said earlier in one of the threads , was that wee welsh guy gildas sitting moaning about the idyllic British golden era in the fifth century before all those German immigrants sailed over the north sea and took his lands and Called it England? It's fucking fantasy delusion . I don't think it's fair or accurate to try to frame this as an English thing. Nostalgia is universal, it's an emotional reaction to the ageing process. I corrected that when I thought of sandy. Let's say British then. What is the problem for the British ? Nostalgia is universal , but we have already pointed out you and I aren't bitterly resentful of a better world long gone? Is it the empire? What?
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 14:20:00 GMT
It does depend on perspective I suppose, my kids childhoods for example is immeasurably better than mine was. same with mine. Material wealth is something I didnt have , in my childhood. Much of the technological advances were obviously not there either , but in other ways , I had a great childhood despite the relative poverty. There must have been plenty of poverty around I the fifties as well , in England , so what im not getting is what is behind the nostalgic navel gazing in the op? did all the English of the fifties live in idyllic villages ? somehow I dont think so. Yes it's not just material comfort either, whilst still hugely challenging life is much easier for autistic kids like mine than it was for an undiagnosed autistic kid in the 80s, trust me. And that's because as a society we are better informed and more accepting them we were back in the day.
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 14:22:07 GMT
Which leaves you with no conclusion - yet you seem to have come to a conclusion. I'm trying to explain how you are using bad reasoning and you are responding with bad reasoning. I don't have a conclusion because like everyone else I don't know what the future holds, but countless past gloomy predictions have proven unfounded and from what I've seen the next generation seem very capable. You end up with a null, so what is the point in going around in the circle? - unless perhaps the exercise is only to discredit another person's opinion without engaging it?
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 14:23:30 GMT
I don't have a conclusion because like everyone else I don't know what the future holds, but countless past gloomy predictions have proven unfounded and from what I've seen the next generation seem very capable. You end up with a null, so what is the point in going around in the circle? - unless perhaps the exercise is only to discredit another person's opinion without engaging it?I'm expressing my opinion same as you and everyone else on here.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 3, 2024 14:26:13 GMT
I never said it wouldn't change, I said never has it changed so quickly, which a few of us knew about as far back as the late 70's what would be coming, there is a dark side of that which has been very demanding keeping it in check which has now become a political battle and about the value of everything. As well as who controls what. I know what you said , and im disagreeing with you. Ive said , and many others have said , the British are in meltdown because their world is coming to an end. As all things do. Thats all that is left now , navel gazing about a period long gone , never to return , and meltdown about what to do about it. I am not having a meltdown by the way, you are because you somehow see it as a threat to Scottish nationalism, which you have said several times, rampaging on about empire, I seriously doubt the merits of it were in any way entrenched by empire. In fact, they have made several TV series based on said nostalgia.
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 14:27:18 GMT
I'm talking about our society, not Britain. Consider me uninterested in Britain ok my apologies. Society isnt collapsing . society is improving all the time. I grew up in thatchers Glasgow of the eighties , and I can assure you society has massively improved since then. There's no nostalgic navel gazing about a better world long gone for me. Whether those who disagree with you can be feasibly painted as 'nostalgic' makes no odds, yet you do it anyway. Lazy stuff.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:33:13 GMT
I know what you said , and im disagreeing with you. Ive said , and many others have said , the British are in meltdown because their world is coming to an end. As all things do. Thats all that is left now , navel gazing about a period long gone , never to return , and meltdown about what to do about it. I am not having a meltdown by the way, you are because you somehow see it as a threat to Scottish nationalism, which you have said several times, rampaging on about empire, I seriously doubt the merits of it were in any way entrenched by empire. In fact, they have made several TV series based on said nostalgia. sorry sheepy I dont understand your post. What do I see as a threat to Scottish nationalism? Im sitting back eating popcorn as the uk implodes , and staggers from one crises to the next , all the while , the ticking nationalist demographic time bomb in scotland and Northern Ireland carries on minute by minute , hour by hour. It's your country that is in meltdown. Read the thread. Dan dare is upset the aryan race is being polluted by the untermenchen. Others are in meltdown about the crowds that keep rocking up on Hastings beach. Sandy is upset about the baby boomers , and the loss of the colonies , and Vinny wants to go to war with everyone to show how britian is still an imperial power. You told us once we left the EU , the empire would be back any minute , Johnny Foreigner would not be allowed into Blighty , and yet here we are arguably worse now than what things were a decade ago. Whats going on ? I dont want to hear any more excuses from you populists.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:36:21 GMT
ok my apologies. Society isnt collapsing . society is improving all the time. I grew up in thatchers Glasgow of the eighties , and I can assure you society has massively improved since then. There's no nostalgic navel gazing about a better world long gone for me. Whether those who disagree with you can be feasibly painted as 'nostalgic' makes no odds, yet you do it anyway. Lazy stuff. ok how would you like me to describe the whinging in this thread? Im saying the future looks bright , and society has remarkably improved in my lifetime. Others are whining about how things have got worse , and how it was all so bloody lovely in the fifties. There's nothing lazy in pointing out horse manure when you see it. Perhaps sandy and dan are merely glass half empty type of people.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 3, 2024 14:38:33 GMT
I am not having a meltdown by the way, you are because you somehow see it as a threat to Scottish nationalism, which you have said several times, rampaging on about empire, I seriously doubt the merits of it were in any way entrenched by empire. In fact, they have made several TV series based on said nostalgia. sorry sheepy I dont understand your post. What do I see as a threat to Scottish nationalism? Im sitting back eating popcorn as the uk implodes , and staggers from one crises to the next , all the while , the ticking nationalist demographic time bomb in scotland and Northern Ireland carries on minute by minute , hour by hour. It's your country that is in meltdown. Read the thread. Dan dare is upset the aryan race is being polluted by the untermenchen. Others are in meltdown about the crowds that keep asking up on Hastings beach. Sandy is upset about the baby boomers , and the loss of the colonies , and Vinny wants to go to war with everyone to show how britian is still an imperial power. You told us once we left the EU , the empire would be back any minute , Johnny Foreigner would not be allowed into Blighty , and yet here we are arguably worse now than what things were a decade ago. Whats going on ? I dont want to hear any more excuses from you populists. So, you keep telling us, I never ever said Empire would be back, it seems you are yet again trying to take the merits away of having a sense of community. I really don't have a problem that people once had a real sense of community, which by political wrangling and underhanded tactics has been removed. As by the need of government everything has to be centrally controlled, very much enhanced via Brussels. Which is not just the UK it is happening all over Europe and the US even a blind man would have a job missing it.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:51:29 GMT
sorry sheepy I dont understand your post. What do I see as a threat to Scottish nationalism? Im sitting back eating popcorn as the uk implodes , and staggers from one crises to the next , all the while , the ticking nationalist demographic time bomb in scotland and Northern Ireland carries on minute by minute , hour by hour. It's your country that is in meltdown. Read the thread. Dan dare is upset the aryan race is being polluted by the untermenchen. Others are in meltdown about the crowds that keep asking up on Hastings beach. Sandy is upset about the baby boomers , and the loss of the colonies , and Vinny wants to go to war with everyone to show how britian is still an imperial power. You told us once we left the EU , the empire would be back any minute , Johnny Foreigner would not be allowed into Blighty , and yet here we are arguably worse now than what things were a decade ago. Whats going on ? I dont want to hear any more excuses from you populists. So, you keep telling us, I never ever said Empire would be back, it seems you are yet again trying to take the merits away of having a sense of community. I really don't have a problem that people once had a real sense of community, which by political wrangling and underhanded tactics has been removed. As by the need of government everything has to be centrally controlled, very much enhanced via Brussels. Which is not just the UK it is happening all over Europe and the US even a blind man would have a job missing it. sure , but its not me who is going to take you back into the eu sheepy. Its your man starmer. How do you mean though sense of community? Im not , and never have been British. I grew up in a community that was as alien to you as the op in this thread is to me. Im not taking away your community , your government is. The current one cannot control your borders , a basic criteria that makes it unfit to rule , and the potential next labour government wants to eradicate your borders further , and hand your country over to the EU. I didnt vote for this shitshow in 2019 , so why tell me about how badly your government is treating you?
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 14:53:24 GMT
Tommo is getting into a bit of a lather about being British, something he doesn't have any control over poor lamb.
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 15:05:05 GMT
Tommo is getting into a bit of a lather about being British, something he doesn't have any control over poor lamb. Not me dan. I didnt start a thread to whinge about village lawns and warm beer under the sun in the fifties. you will have us all crying in a minute about Dunkirk.
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