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Post by Handyman on Mar 1, 2024 7:53:35 GMT
My Blue Passport is British , but I am English  |
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 8:05:25 GMT
Your reliance on polling in this context is silly - another poster here will tell that when presented in isolation and without prompting, the BNP's policies are actually surprisingly popular. A poll tends to get you variable answers depending on all sorts of factors in presentation and wording. My prediction is you will continue to ignore the obvious because it suits you and my advice to responsible minority groups in the UK is to stop supporting mass immigration. I  Indeed, Zany - neither is going to be very accurate btw. It is also difficult to poll people's true opinions on socially taboo matters. People vote in secret and usually treat voting seriously though. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 8:14:21 GMT
Indeed, What with Saddam being such a good sort, fairly elected and treating his countrymen so well. Thank goodness we didn't repeat the mistake for Syria, that's turned out so well. It was never our place to go around the world invading countries whose regimes we didnt like just because America wanted to. Saddam might have been a very bad man in charge of a country but he was far from being unique in that respect. And how the hell did our interventions make anything better? We just opened the door to terrorists, and ended up with even worse psychos in the form of Isis. And you ignore the reason for my deep sense of shame, Blair's cringeworthy toadying. And that toadying is the only reason we went into Iraq and fucked it up even more. If you cannot see Blair's utter toadying on the international stage as a nationally shaming moment, that's your perception blind spot, not mine. And that's the rub of it for me. It was never our place to go around the world attacking Germany just because they invaded another country. It was never our place to go around the world supplying arms to Ukraine just because they fell out with Russia. I say yes of course it was our business. We put Saddam in place and he carried out genocide and torture on an industrial scale. The right thing was to remove him and replace him with an elected government. How that worked out is questionable, but that's a possibility in any interference you carry out. Had we lost against Germany and left Europe in a mess, you could make the same claim that "It was never our place to go around the world" Where does doing what's right come into that for you? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 8:15:52 GMT
I'm no longer sure. I used to love the fact that in my younger days (Not slavery or empire, I'm not that old) British were known for playing fair and helping others. That's all gone now, money is our god and helping others is measured on political or economic return, not doing what's right. Further we are fast becoming like those races we once despised who blamed minority groups for the ills facing their country instead of stepping up and helping. I'll tell you why I'm proud of being British, but before I go into that let me ask you a question ZG, assuming you were born in this country, where were your parents born? I'm white British, my family goes back to Richard the first. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 8:22:57 GMT
I think patriots is a made up word that just fits around peoples ideas . You and me and.many others definitely wouldn't say terrorist are not patriotic But they would say they are .and so would there supporters. Patriot his just a made.up word to fit people's narrow views and I. Think this thread proves. That . I don't think you understand what being a patriot or patriotism is. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense, I'm not trying to insult you, but you don't understand. Trust me, you dont understand. I cant help noticing that ZG who started this thread, has been silent... Tis my way. Start a thread and look to see what people say before replying. Otherwise you risk making it a one to one with the first person who replied. Plus I spent the day in another city meeting the Valuation office among other things. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
I'll tell you why I'm proud of being British, but before I go into that let me ask you a question ZG, assuming you were born in this country, where were your parents born? I'm white British, my family goes back to Richard the first. LOL Royality, who would have guessed? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 8:25:11 GMT
I'm white British, my family goes back to Richard the first. LOL Royality, who would have guessed? Not so fast. Technically all families everywhere 'go back to Richard the first' |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 8:36:04 GMT
LOL Royality, who would have guessed? Not so fast. Technically all families everywhere 'go back to Richard the first' How so? he was a French Norman |
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 8:39:41 GMT
Not so fast. Technically all families everywhere 'go back to Richard the first' How so? he was a French Norman Your family 'goes back' all the way to the early stone age. Everybody's does. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 1, 2024 8:40:19 GMT
Not so fast. Technically all families everywhere 'go back to Richard the first' How so? he was a French Norman Bloody foreigners come over here lording it over us.  |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 8:42:59 GMT
How so? he was a French Norman Your family 'goes back' all the way to the early stone age. Everybody's does. He didn't say that he said Richard the first as though it was a notable thing. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 8:48:15 GMT
Your family 'goes back' all the way to the early stone age. Everybody's does. He didn't say that he said Richard the first as though it was a notable thing. everybody's family 'goes back' to Richard the first. The time period of Richard the first's life happened everywhere |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 8:49:58 GMT
He didn't say that he said Richard the first as though it was a notable thing. everybody's family 'goes back' to Richard the first. The time period of Richard the first's life happened everywhere Are you saying Zany is spouting a lot of bollox? because it sure sounds like it. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 8:53:39 GMT
Yes it is what's not democratic about not wanting state or ownership. Of Business by the the rich Elite. Social corporatism, also called social democratic corporatism, is a form of economic tripartite corporatism based upon a social partnership between the interests of capital and labour, involving collective bargaining between representatives of employers and of labour mediated by the government at the national level. You said he was a socialist but he believed in a particular kind of socialism, democratic socialism . You know , that kind of socialism that you had no idea existed until you read my post and googled it . You’re welcome . |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 8:55:00 GMT
I'll tell you why I'm proud of being British, but before I go into that let me ask you a question ZG, assuming you were born in this country, where were your parents born? I'm white British, my family goes back to Richard the first. Most peoples do. |
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