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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 1, 2024 9:00:16 GMT
Red asked the wrong question.
What he should have asked is 'Which haplogroups do your deep patrilineal and matrilineal ancestries correspond to?"
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Post by Handyman on Mar 1, 2024 9:01:23 GMT
IMHO
Richard 1 spent very little time in Britain, it is Richard 111's DNA that is present in many of the population of the UK, according to the Boffins
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 9:04:44 GMT
Red what's that got to do with.being proud to be British. You do know millions of Commonwealth citizens fourt in 1st and 2nd world war . Also Apox 10% in the British Army are from..over seas. And else where on this forum. I havery mentioned about a very good friend who is Black had been a Red cap for over 20yrs . Are you saying he wasn't proud.of the Country. Charlie, you have gone off on a tangent there old chap. ZG lives in this country, yet he asks us if we're proud to be British. If I went to some countries and asked the same question I'd be lucky to escape with my life. Yet I'm supposed to sit here and take this shit. I am very proud of being British, if I were a religious man I would thank my god that I was born in this country. One of the reasons I feel British is because my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here etc et al. I have an infinite love of this country because it's my country and belive me I've seen other countries which is why I came home. But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today. What you miss is the freedoms by not having state interference in every corner of your life. Which has been the slow but sure regime of operation creep through laws and constant governmental need to control you and how you live. This is now reaching a head under the present government, as now they are on the receiving end for once. They don't seem so enamored with it now affects them.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 1, 2024 9:27:36 GMT
I'm no longer sure. I used to love the fact that in my younger days (Not slavery or empire, I'm not that old) British were known for playing fair and helping others. That's all gone now, money is our god and helping others is measured on political or economic return, not doing what's right. Further we are fast becoming like those races we once despised who blamed minority groups for the ills facing their country instead of stepping up and helping. I'll tell you why I'm proud of being British, but before I go into that let me ask you a question ZG, assuming you were born in this country, where were your parents born? Why does it matter where someone's parents were born? Did you choose your parents?
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 1, 2024 9:32:39 GMT
Charlie, you have gone off on a tangent there old chap. ZG lives in this country, yet he asks us if we're proud to be British. If I went to some countries and asked the same question I'd be lucky to escape with my life. Yet I'm supposed to sit here and take this shit. I am very proud of being British, if I were a religious man I would thank my god that I was born in this country. One of the reasons I feel British is because my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here etc et al. I have an infinite love of this country because it's my country and belive me I've seen other countries which is why I came home. But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today. I've not gone of a tangent I also. Mentioned about my Black friend you was a red Cap for over 29yrs. He lives in this Country are you saying he wasn't a patriot. "But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today." That has I suspect been the case with every generation since time immemorial. I have a 21 year old brother, I'm 47, at times it seems like he's speaking a different language what with slang he uses and his outlook is a bit different to mine but I remember older people being similarly bemused by me and my mates when I was his age. Different isn't necessarily bad.
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 1, 2024 9:53:43 GMT
I've not gone of a tangent I also. Mentioned about my Black friend you was a red Cap for over 29yrs. He lives in this Country are you saying he wasn't a patriot. "But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today." That has I suspect been the case with every generation since time immemorial. I have a 21 year old brother, I'm 47, at times it seems like he's speaking a different language what with slang he uses and his outlook is a bit different to mine but I remember older people being similarly bemused by me and my mates when I was his age. Different isn't necessarily bad. I defeinfabty agree about being a different isn't a bad thing. Even my friend I speak of born in Manchester older than me I'm 60 spoke with a Jamaican trang. I was a ska skinhead until my early.5os. I'm sure you know the Ska music of the late 70-mid 80s had its roots in the Jamaican music. My Challenge was to red about people of Foreign decent not loving the Country.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 1, 2024 9:54:36 GMT
"But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today." That has I suspect been the case with every generation since time immemorial. I have a 21 year old brother, I'm 47, at times it seems like he's speaking a different language what with slang he uses and his outlook is a bit different to mine but I remember older people being similarly bemused by me and my mates when I was his age. Different isn't necessarily bad. I defeinfabty agree about being a different isn't a bad thing. Even my friend I speak of born in Manchester older than me I'm 60 spoke with a Jamaican trang. I was a ska skinhead until my early.5os. I'm sure you know the Ska music of the late 70-mid 80s had its roots in the Jamaican music. My Challenge was to red about people of Foreign decent not loving the Country. Sorry, I meant to reply to Red, my bad.
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 9:55:24 GMT
You couldn't even leave them to their communities. You had to remove the only thing of real value they held.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 1, 2024 9:58:53 GMT
Red what's that got to do with.being proud to be British. You do know millions of Commonwealth citizens fourt in 1st and 2nd world war . Also Apox 10% in the British Army are from..over seas. And else where on this forum. I havery mentioned about a very good friend who is Black had been a Red cap for over 20yrs . Are you saying he wasn't proud.of the Country. Charlie, you have gone off on a tangent there old chap. ZG lives in this country, yet he asks us if we're proud to be British. If I went to some countries and asked the same question I'd be lucky to escape with my life. Yet I'm supposed to sit here and take this shit. I am very proud of being British, if I were a religious man I would thank my god that I was born in this country. One of the reasons I feel British is because my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here etc et al. I have an infinite love of this country because it's my country and belive me I've seen other countries which is why I came home. But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today. "But I'm not happy because the England of my youth is a very different country to England today." There have I believe been discovered evidence of Plato complaining about the youth of today in the 4th century BC. Everyone when they reach a certain age lives in a country that's different to the one of their youth.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 1, 2024 9:59:17 GMT
You couldn't even leave them to their communities. You had to remove the only thing of real value they held. Who did?
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 1, 2024 10:00:57 GMT
I defeinfabty agree about being a different isn't a bad thing. Even my friend I speak of born in Manchester older than me I'm 60 spoke with a Jamaican trang. I was a ska skinhead until my early.5os. I'm sure you know the Ska music of the late 70-mid 80s had its roots in the Jamaican music. My Challenge was to red about people of Foreign decent not loving the Country. Sorry, I meant to reply to Red, my bad. No bad I've replied to the wrong person myself. And some on here think.it's because of a lack of Education lol
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Post by thomas on Mar 1, 2024 10:06:37 GMT
I'm no longer sure. I used to love the fact that in my younger days (Not slavery or empire, I'm not that old) British were known for playing fair and helping others. That's all gone now, money is our god and helping others is measured on political or economic return, not doing what's right. Further we are fast becoming like those races we once despised who blamed minority groups for the ills facing their country instead of stepping up and helping. I'm proud to be English. well said , and good for you. Im not and never have been British. Im Scottish. Britishness is an artificial , and rather short lived identity that came about because of the empire. It has its origins in the union of the crowns, but came into its own in the 19th century due to the empire, and the peoples of the varying uk nations coming to accept it to a greater of lesser degree. It's arguably been in decline since the Irish left in 1921 , and that decline accelerated after the Second World War. As the empire has imploded , and whats left of it breaks apart , the questions regarding the value of britishness such as the op will increase.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Mar 1, 2024 10:17:02 GMT
well said , and good for you. Im not and never have been British. Im Scottish. Britishness is an artificial , and rather short lived identity that came about because of the empire. It has its origins in the union of the crowns, but came into its own in the 19th century due to the empire, and the peoples of the varying uk nations coming to accept it to a greater of lesser degree. It's arguably been in decline since the Irish left in 1921 , and that decline accelerated after the Second World War. As the empire has imploded , and whats left of it breaks apart , the questions regarding the value of britishness such as the op will increase. Any Tom Dick and Harry - no I'll rephrase that - any Ahmed Ali and Mohammad can call themselves British. What they are not, and never can be is English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 1, 2024 10:21:27 GMT
Interesting that the first reason for not being proud of being British is immigration, as if your lack of pride is their fault. After pages of that you blamed Blair. Then you ran out of victims.
I blame the standard content of education over far too many years. It may turn out functional people but has sadly lacked emphasis in assessing character, motive, delivery, any understanding of the world that connects corporate and political goals and the piggy-backing that sometimes goes down generations.
Democeacy isnt abour choosing a national leader. That is luke choosing between strawberry and vanilla. Because in the end all you get is another sweet.
Democracy demands active participation and evwn though I may not agree with a cause, it is those who dexlare rheir cause in public who are real practitioners of democracy. The problem is that government doesnt respect the voice of the people once in power. For a minister to say as to children, "we hear you, now go home'" is an overt sign that politicians have no intention of listening to the people other than to change promises until they are elected. So there is a void between the government abd the people. The people do not hold the govt enough to account. So the govt offers all sorts of flavoured lollipops, the people blindly choose one because they havent learned how to spot how to assess the packaging, and the whole hidden world of corporate/politics goes round for another five years.
In my opinion education must include more sensitivity to use of language, and how personal connections, public schools, the class system and how decisions are made.
These things are taught in many public schools. Everyone should be aware of them. Orherwise there is no democracy. Just simmering resentment.
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Post by thomas on Mar 1, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
well said , and good for you. Im not and never have been British. Im Scottish. Britishness is an artificial , and rather short lived identity that came about because of the empire. It has its origins in the union of the crowns, but came into its own in the 19th century due to the empire, and the peoples of the varying uk nations coming to accept it to a greater of lesser degree. It's arguably been in decline since the Irish left in 1921 , and that decline accelerated after the Second World War. As the empire has imploded , and whats left of it breaks apart , the questions regarding the value of britishness such as the op will increase. Any Tom Dick and Harry - no I'll rephrase that - any Ahmed Ali and Mohammad can call themselves British. What they are not, and never can be is English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. I can't speak for anyone elses national identity. I merely applaud yours , and voice my own. The British have royally fucked all our countries up , and it's time this artificial and fairly modern construct was cast into the dustbin of history. I suspect this is what a lot of the meltdown you see among the political elite , and their sycophants are regarding the decline of britishness . All around us , we are witnessing its decay and ending.
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