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Post by Orac on Mar 7, 2024 16:44:21 GMT
You would have the name Smith. You wouldn't have the name Smith and the name Jones - because you only have one name. Correct. I would be a Smith of Jones descent. As far as your name is concerned, you would be Smith. You might add other information about another dimension of your identity, but this dimension wouldn't be your nameThe amount of energy you putting into this is hysterical - it's so important to you that they not be anything at all that you aren't? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 7, 2024 17:10:27 GMT
"What's yours is mine and what's mine's me own"
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 7, 2024 17:19:25 GMT
Correct. I would be a Smith of Jones descent. As far as your name is concerned, you would be Smith. You might add other information about another dimension of your identity, but this dimension wouldn't be your nameThe amount of energy you putting into this is hysterical - it's so important to you that they not be anything at all that you aren't? Yes and as far as my nationality is concerned I am English. I may choose to add other information about another dimension of my identity but that isn't my nationality. Got it? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 7, 2024 17:26:01 GMT
Do you have a passport? If yes, what is entered under the heading 'Nationality/Nationalité' on the page which carries your photograph?
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Post by Orac on Mar 7, 2024 18:27:28 GMT
"The dread and envy of them all"
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 18:55:34 GMT
Yes, but do you think Muslims in the UK would want it to be like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. I'm sure that all the Muslims who moved here from Pakistan would like Islamic Law and customs to be the same as they were at home - Why are you sure. Why do they not embrace the freedoms our country offers Musilms Yes, that doesn't mean they wish to bring Pakistan here. Possibly parts of their culture, food, traditions. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 7, 2024 19:08:08 GMT
I'm sure that all the Muslims who moved here from Pakistan would like Islamic Law and customs to be the same as they were at home - Why are you sure. Why do they not embrace the freedoms our country offers Musilms Yes, that doesn't mean they wish to bring Pakistan here. Possibly parts of their culture, food, traditions. Sharia law, genital mutilation, polygamy , patriarchy? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 19:17:41 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 19:21:30 GMT
No they said this country needs four or five million immigrants and Muslims applied. When you go to the cabinet meeting suggest we each need to pay more tax rather than bring in more people to pay more tax. Let me know how it goes down. There wouldn't really be much point since Muslim immigrants usually come from very poor countries in South Asia, the Middle East and North/Central Africa.
The tax yield from such unpromising stock will be very meager and won't even cover the costs in keeping them here.
Did you know that almost half of all ethnic minority children are living in poverty?
I didn't ask you the point. I said what happened. That said there are numerous Pakistani doctors surgeons, accountants solicitors in this country. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 19:26:09 GMT
Both do not. Muslims do not all share ISIS view of the world. Absolutely correct, however they ALL believe in the Koran. skepticsannotatedbible.com/all/cr_list.htmlAnd whilst the Koran has less cruelty and violence in it than the Bible, it still has cruelty and violence and brutal intolerance that sadly a dangerous number believe in actually putting into practice. I believe in taking every individual as I find them, however the Koran is not an individual, it is the textbook for an entire culture.
And it contains teachings such as:
That kind of teaching is responsible for a lot of murders.
And why should we be tolerant of intolerance, bullying, murder? "It's their religion" is no excuse.
I would agree that re-interpretation of the Koran lags behind re-interpretation of the bible. Both are frankly ridiculous. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 19:28:59 GMT
Then you have not been involved in politics for the last 60 years; accusing almost everyone of scapegoating has been the MO of those pursuing a policy not predicated on any agreement or covenant with the electorate but has been and is still being enacted largely to the detriment and disadvantage of those whose permission should have been sought. Who makes you feel unwelcome? "Who makes you feel unwelcome?" Well for starters look at the grief I got on here for daring to say I'm English. This from people who complain bitterly about immigrants and their descendants not integrating. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Please remember this forum is a trap for the bigoted. They are attracted by the noises they hear from others. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2024 19:33:26 GMT
I've done no such thing, I'm culturally as English as anyone I'm not so sure. I would say that claiming you are fully as English as anyone else, but have Irish heritage, is doing exactly what i described. You retain your distinction from them, but allow no way for them to claim (hold) a distinction from you. It's inconsistent. And I would say who gives a shit. But then I guess YOU would. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 7, 2024 20:13:45 GMT
As far as your name is concerned, you would be Smith. You might add other information about another dimension of your identity, but this dimension wouldn't be your nameThe amount of energy you putting into this is hysterical - it's so important to you that they not be anything at all that you aren't? Yes and as far as my nationality is concerned I am English. I may choose to add other information about another dimension of my identity but that isn't my nationality. Got it? Your Nationality is British, your ethnicity is a matter of accepting and acceptance and subject to much dispute. Most especially since the English, as an ethnic group, are much maligned. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 7, 2024 20:15:16 GMT
I'm not so sure. I would say that claiming you are fully as English as anyone else, but have Irish heritage, is doing exactly what i described. You retain your distinction from them, but allow no way for them to claim (hold) a distinction from you. It's inconsistent. And I would say who gives a shit. But then I guess YOU would. The law would, and does, as ethnic origins is one of the criteria used in race discrimination law. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 7, 2024 20:25:29 GMT
Turbulent times come from turbulent people. You first asked me why a rational person should defer rather than employing their home culture, beliefs and customs. Now you are asking me WHY they would bring things you don't agree with? They do so because damn fools like you tell them it's fine and insist we shouldn't complain. If i were pleading with another nation to let me in because my home nation was a broken hell hole, I would, to the best of my ability, bring my children to forget the bad culture that made me flee and take on the culture of the functioning society that gave me safety. Isn't that more sensible? You are talking like someone with a chip on their shoulder. Try to be rational. |
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