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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 13:40:44 GMT
You only need to look at the election results. No political party in the UK has been elected with a pledge to massively increase immigration ,and yet, the Conservative party in particular has been repeatedly elected with a pledge to massively reduce immigration. Your theory is plain goofy - are you seriously maintaining that resistance and vocal disquiet with immigration has nothing at all to do with a massive increase in immigration? Is there any other issue on which you would steadfastly maintain a similarly absurd position? Election results show that political parties with the most hostile policies towards immigration have made little or no significant electoral impact. You know perfectly well that doesn't add up. The failure of small parties in our system isn't an indicator of unpopular policies. Small parties can have popular policies, but a voter has to weigh this against the likelihood of him wasting a vote The conservatives have pledged repeatedly to massively cut immigration and been re-elected several times in a row with that pledge. They will likely be ousted in the next election partially because they wont do so and it has become obvious to everyone they wont. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:44:50 GMT
Election results show that political parties with the most hostile policies towards immigration have made little or no significant electoral impact. You know perfectly well that doesn't add up. The failure of small parties in our system isn't an indicator of unpopular policies. Small parties can have popular policies, but a voter has to weigh this against the likelihood of him wasting a vote The conservatives have pledged repeatedly to massively cut immigration and been re-elected several times in a row with that pledge. They will likely be ousted in the next election partially because they wont do so and it has become obvious to everyone they wont. I don't think immigration will be the primary factor in the Tories losing the next election. www.ipsos.com/en-uk/nhs-overtakes-inflation-become-biggest-issue-facing-britain |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:45:10 GMT
Did I say that ? Is English your second language ? I never said you did say that. It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark at the end of my sentence. Do you tend to make things up in your head and ask people if they think it when there is no suggestion that they do? |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:46:57 GMT
I never said you did say that. It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark at the end of my sentence. Do you tend to make things up in your head and ask people if they think it when there is no suggestion that they do? I ask people questions to clarify what their position is. If I made things up I wouldn't need to ask questions. Think it through. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 13:51:26 GMT
You know perfectly well that doesn't add up. The failure of small parties in our system isn't an indicator of unpopular policies. Small parties can have popular policies, but a voter has to weigh this against the likelihood of him wasting a vote The conservatives have pledged repeatedly to massively cut immigration and been re-elected several times in a row with that pledge. They will likely be ousted in the next election partially because they wont do so and it has become obvious to everyone they wont. I don't think immigration will be the primary factor in the Tories losing the next election. www.ipsos.com/en-uk/nhs-overtakes-inflation-become-biggest-issue-facing-britainThat's a different question. What is clear is that immigration (or large amounts of it) is not very popular with the British public and hasn't been so historically. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:54:10 GMT
Do you tend to make things up in your head and ask people if they think it when there is no suggestion that they do? I ask people questions to clarify what their position is. If I made things up I wouldn't need to ask questions. Think it through. There was no suggestion that I believed what you asked . You made made a question up in your head . If you should have thought it through . When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:57:16 GMT
That's a different question. What is clear is that immigration (or large amounts of it) is not very popular with the British public and hasn't been so historically. I'm not saying that immigration has always been universally loved by the entire British public but I think media and then political scapegoating of immigrants ramped up after the financial crisis and snowballed after that. Other events in recent years have elbowed it off of the headlines and that's why it has fallen down the pecking order in the list of voters concerns. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:58:59 GMT
I ask people questions to clarify what their position is. If I made things up I wouldn't need to ask questions. Think it through. There was no suggestion that I believed what you asked . You made made a question up in your head . If you should have thought it through . When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ? Surely everyone who asks a question makes said question up in their heads? Where else would it come from? "When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ?" I didn't. Anything else I can help you with? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 14:01:42 GMT
There was no suggestion that I believed what you asked . You made made a question up in your head . If you should have thought it through . When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ? Surely everyone who asks a question makes said question up in their heads? Where else would it come from? "When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ?" I didn't. Anything else I can help you with? Are you denying the obvious ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 14:10:33 GMT
Surely everyone who asks a question makes said question up in their heads? Where else would it come from? "When did you discover that one of your legs was shorter than the other ?" I didn't. Anything else I can help you with? Are you denying the obvious ? Not that I'm aware of. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 14:11:35 GMT
Are you denying the obvious ? Not that I'm aware of. What are you aware of ? Your debate technique of asking random questions is quite fun.👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 14:20:32 GMT
I'm no longer sure. I used to love the fact that in my younger days (Not slavery or empire, I'm not that old) British were known for playing fair and helping others. That's all gone now, money is our god and helping others is measured on political or economic return, not doing what's right. Further we are fast becoming like those races we once despised who blamed minority groups for the ills facing their country instead of stepping up and helping. Where has the British backbone gone? You and me both, though undoubtedly for very different reasons. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 14:25:50 GMT
That's a different question. What is clear is that immigration (or large amounts of it) is not very popular with the British public and hasn't been so historically. I'm not saying that immigration has always been universally loved by the entire British public but I think media and then political scapegoating of immigrants ramped up after the financial crisis and snowballed after that. Other events in recent years have elbowed it off of the headlines and that's why it has fallen down the pecking order in the list of voters concerns. I think this is a way over-complicated theory when placed against the obvious. For instance, why did 'scapegoating' suddenly start working when it hadn't before? The financial crisis was far from the first crisis the UK has experienced. The obvious answer is simple enough - when people are faced with more of what they don't want, they become annoyed and have a focus on that issue and are more prone to connecting the dots. Your reliance on polling in this context is silly - another poster here will tell that when presented in isolation and without prompting, the BNP's policies are actually surprisingly popular. A poll tends to get you variable answers depending on all sorts of factors in presentation and wording. My prediction is you will continue to ignore the obvious because it suits you and my advice to responsible minority groups in the UK is to stop supporting mass immigration. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
I'm not saying that immigration has always been universally loved by the entire British public but I think media and then political scapegoating of immigrants ramped up after the financial crisis and snowballed after that. Other events in recent years have elbowed it off of the headlines and that's why it has fallen down the pecking order in the list of voters concerns. I think this is a way over-complicated theory when placed against the obvious. For instance, why did 'scapegoating' suddenly start working when it hadn't before? The financial crisis was far from the first crisis the UK has experienced. The obvious answer is simple enough - when people are faced with more of what they don't want, they become annoyed and have a focus on that issue and are more prone to connecting the dots. Your reliance on polling in this context is silly - another poster here will tell that when presented in isolation and without prompting, the BNP's policies are actually surprisingly popular. A poll tends to get you variable answers depending on all sorts of factors in presentation and wording. My prediction is you will continue to ignore the obvious because it suits you and my advice to responsible minority groups in the UK is to stop supporting mass immigration. So why is it after record levels of net migration recorded in 2022 immigration has slid down the table of concerns for the electorate? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 14:59:07 GMT
I think this is a way over-complicated theory when placed against the obvious. For instance, why did 'scapegoating' suddenly start working when it hadn't before? The financial crisis was far from the first crisis the UK has experienced. The obvious answer is simple enough - when people are faced with more of what they don't want, they become annoyed and have a focus on that issue and are more prone to connecting the dots. Your reliance on polling in this context is silly - another poster here will tell that when presented in isolation and without prompting, the BNP's policies are actually surprisingly popular. A poll tends to get you variable answers depending on all sorts of factors in presentation and wording. My prediction is you will continue to ignore the obvious because it suits you and my advice to responsible minority groups in the UK is to stop supporting mass immigration. So why is it after record levels of net migration recorded in 2022 immigration has slid down the table of concerns for the electorate? Your reliance on polling in this context is silly - another poster here will tell that when presented in isolation and without prompting, the BNP's policies are actually surprisingly popular. A poll tends to get you variable answers depending on all sorts of factors in presentation and wording. My prediction is you will continue to ignore the obvious because it suits you and my advice to responsible minority groups in the UK is to stop supporting mass immigration. |
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