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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 12:59:35 GMT
I’m proud to be white English and I’m proud to stand with any person of any colour who is proud to be English with similar world view and culture as me .
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:00:15 GMT
This is just avoidance of the obvious - a magical explanation. The British public didn't suddenly turn bigoted. What actually happened is that they realised gradually that something that they were never very keen on was not going to remain small and not be moderated unless they shouted. The British public haven't changed much on the matter itself, they have just woken up to the realisation that it's becoming a crisis. I disagree, I think it was a very successful scapegoating campaign. I never felt unwelcome in my own country up until a few years ago. Thst may not be anyone’s else’s fault or problem. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:00:58 GMT
I’m proud to be white English and I’m proud to stand with any person of any colour who is proud to be English with similar world view and culture as me . What about people who don't have a similar world view to you? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 13:01:02 GMT
This is just avoidance of the obvious - a magical explanation. The British public didn't suddenly turn bigoted. What actually happened is that they realised gradually that something that they were never very keen on was not going to remain small and not be moderated unless they shouted. The British public haven't changed much on the matter itself, they have just woken up to the realisation that it's becoming a crisis. I disagree, I think it was a very successful scapegoating campaign. I never felt unwelcome in my own country up until a few years ago. As time goes on, the fact the British public's wishes are being flagrantly ignored has more and more of an effect. IMHO for a substantial period the whole thing was covered by a shield of 'British politeness'. This doesn't mean people are happy, but they keep their mouths shut. The shield has worn out in my opinion - if polite doesn't work, you are cornered into being impolite. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:03:54 GMT
I disagree, I think it was a very successful scapegoating campaign. I never felt unwelcome in my own country up until a few years ago. As time goes on, the fact the British public's wishes are being flagrantly ignored has more and more of an effect. IMHO for a substantial period the whole thing was covered by a shield of 'British politeness'. This doesn't mean people are happy, but they keep their mouths shut. The shield has worn out in my opinion - if polite doesn't work, you are cornered into being impolite. What wishes? What makes you qualified to speak for the British public? I'm a member of the British public too. Historically political parties who were openly hostile to immigrants and minorities made little or no electoral impact. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:05:32 GMT
I’m proud to be white English and I’m proud to stand with any person of any colour who is proud to be English with similar world view and culture as me . What about people who don't have a similar world view to you? I can’t be proud to stand with them by default If I don’t know exactly what their world view or culture is. That’s why I posted those words …. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:11:17 GMT
What about people who don't have a similar world view to you? I can’t be proud to stand with them by default If I don’t know exactly what their world view or culture is. That’s why I posted those words …. It's entirely possible for people who share your cultural background to have a different worldview to you is it not? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:24:06 GMT
I can’t be proud to stand with them by default If I don’t know exactly what their world view or culture is. That’s why I posted those words …. It's entirely possible for people who share your cultural background to have a different worldview to you is it not? I never said it wasn’t . I just presumed other posters had intelligence to assume it without me posting a series of caveats . |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:25:59 GMT
It's entirely possible for people who share your cultural background to have a different worldview to you is it not? I never said it wasn’t . I just presumed other posters had intelligence to assume it without me posting a series of caveats . So would you be proud to stand with people from your cultural background who have a different worldview? Or stand for people's right to have and express a different world view to you? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 29, 2024 13:27:47 GMT
As time goes on, the fact the British public's wishes are being flagrantly ignored has more and more of an effect. IMHO for a substantial period the whole thing was covered by a shield of 'British politeness'. This doesn't mean people are happy, but they keep their mouths shut. The shield has worn out in my opinion - if polite doesn't work, you are cornered into being impolite. What wishes? What makes you qualified to speak for the British public? I'm a member of the British public too. You only need to look at the election results. No political party in the UK has been elected with a pledge to massively increase immigration ,and yet, the Conservative party in particular has been repeatedly elected with a pledge to massively reduce immigration. Your theory is plain goofy - are you seriously maintaining that resistance and vocal disquiet with immigration has nothing at all to do with a massive increase in immigration? Is there any other issue on which you would steadfastly maintain a similarly absurd position? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:31:52 GMT
I never said it wasn’t . I just presumed other posters had intelligence to assume it without me posting a series of caveats . So would you be proud to stand with people from your cultural background who have a different worldview? Or stand for people's right to have and express a different world view to you? Depends on what the worldview is. Do you have trouble reading simple statements ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:32:30 GMT
What wishes? What makes you qualified to speak for the British public? I'm a member of the British public too. You only need to look at the election results. No political party in the UK has been elected with a pledge to massively increase immigration ,and yet, the Conservative party in particular has been repeatedly elected with a pledge to massively reduce immigration. Your theory is plain goofy - are you seriously maintaining that resistance and vocal disquiet with immigration has nothing at all to do with a massive increase in immigration? Is there any other issue on which you would steadfastly maintain a similarly absurd position? Election results show that political parties with the most hostile policies towards immigration have made little or no significant electoral impact. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:34:31 GMT
So would you be proud to stand with people from your cultural background who have a different worldview? Or stand for people's right to have and express a different world view to you? Depends on what the worldview is. Do you have trouble reading simple statements ? Are you saying that people's freedom of speech should be subject to your personal approval? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 13:36:01 GMT
Depends on what the worldview is. Do you have trouble reading simple statements ? Are you saying that people's freedom of speech should be subject to your personal approval? Did I say that ? Is English your second language ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 29, 2024 13:39:11 GMT
Are you saying that people's freedom of speech should be subject to your personal approval? Did I say that ? Is English your second language ? I never said you did say that. It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark at the end of my sentence. |
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