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Post by thomas on Mar 4, 2024 7:51:34 GMT
I dont agree. No current or future uk government can be bound by a past government .That is how the uk parliament works. It's mere tory excuses for failure in government. We expect mass uncontrolled immigration from labour. Thats a given .The tories though have manifestly failed to back up their empty rhetoric over immigration , hence why their own voters are going to punish them badly at the next election. Time for excuses from them is over. Yes they failed to back up a plan that they were afraid( possibly with reason) to do what was necessary to implement a plan that many have claimed couldn’t work anyway . It doesn’t matter how big our navy used to be or how much influence we held in the past . I dint see how Tory voters will punish the Tories over immigration when Labour is pretty much going to do no more to stop migrants than the Tories did . The tories were elected in 2019 for two main reasons. Boris Johnson was popular with the English , and he promised to get Brexit done. Johnson was never going to stop immigration , in fact , the few times I listened to what he had to say on the subject , he was quite openly pro immigration. 2019 was the Brexit election. Ive said this now for a number of years , without Brexit , the tories are nothing. They arguably haven't won a majority that wasn't somehow linked to Brexit since major in 1992. Cameron couldnt win a majority in 2010 , despite the disaster that was the new labour governments for the previous 13 years. Cameron won in 2015 off the back of a Brexit referendum. May lost her majority in 2017 , and Johnson won again promising to get Brexit done in 2019. people simply dont trust the tories on many issues like immigration as they are fucking clueless. im simply like you going by the polls. Looks like the tory vote is going to stay at home , and as ive said a number of times , starmer is going to fall into power while the tories fall past him. Its not going to help the tories that labour are simply just as shite as they are over immigration. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:14:26 GMT
How about, just as a for instance:
"...If you swapped the word Religion for the word Country, then could I expect you to keep your mouth shut if the Spanish government killed 5,000 Brits in Gibraltar on the premise they were after some terrorists hiding there? "
Completely daft.
Really? You struggled to understand this analogy. I understood it well enough. You were attempting to draw a false equivalence between the behaviour of the Muslim community in Britain and the general population with respect to co-religionists elsewhere.
It didn't work. It's absurd.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 9:18:44 GMT
Really? You struggled to understand this analogy. I understood it well enough. You were attempting to draw a false equivalence between the behaviour of the Muslim community in Britain and the general population with respect to co-religionists elsewhere.
It didn't work. It's absurd.
No. I was comparing things each party illogically strongly support. In one case a religion, in the other a country. I was doing it to get Red to think about why Muslims might feel strongly about what happens to other Muslims, just as he would about other Brits. Still I understand it doesn't fit your narrative. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 9:28:02 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in?
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 4, 2024 9:47:22 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in? i don't think the government care overly what i believe given they’re clearly happy to import thousands if such who clearly themselves don’t |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 4, 2024 9:55:59 GMT
Yes they failed to back up a plan that they were afraid( possibly with reason) to do what was necessary to implement a plan that many have claimed couldn’t work anyway . It doesn’t matter how big our navy used to be or how much influence we held in the past . I dint see how Tory voters will punish the Tories over immigration when Labour is pretty much going to do no more to stop migrants than the Tories did . The tories were elected in 2019 for two main reasons. Boris Johnson was popular with the English , and he promised to get Brexit done.. i’m not convinced it was anything to do with him ‘being liked’. I can’t accept any Englishman voting for his party in 2019 saw anything mire than the bumbling idiot at the London mayors podium, an image he carefully crafted, unless like me they actually MET him as part of their work in which case they’d see as i did this was in fact a coldly calculated act. No, sorry the reason Labour took the kicking they did was they spent two years trying to paralyse the country and stop Brexit having all sworn in their 2017 manifestoes to respect the will of the people. Britain does not like lying bastards as Fishy Rishi will soon find out, but Boris was the man in place to explain to labour the errors of their ways. Thats all there is to it |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:09:30 GMT
Yes it would . It’s the same principle. Of course it means they are statistically poorer job candidates. Than would make more sense than a tacit agreement between HR departments to sabotage their employers or a deliberate recruitment of people in HR departments throughout the land who hate job seekers with certain names . That is moving into leftie delusion territory. Where is the evidence that they are statistically poorer candidates? And if you think people don't act irrationally even against their own best interests I can only conclude that you've had a very sheltered life Where is the evidence that HR departments are deliberately employing racist HR staff with the intent to deny people with certain names employment? If you believe that then it’s you that’s led a life of delusion and still are . Either there is a conspiracy in HR departments across the board to deny people with certain names employment or people with certain names flag up a higher statistical chance of being poor employees. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:18:05 GMT
Yes they failed to back up a plan that they were afraid( possibly with reason) to do what was necessary to implement a plan that many have claimed couldn’t work anyway . It doesn’t matter how big our navy used to be or how much influence we held in the past . I dint see how Tory voters will punish the Tories over immigration when Labour is pretty much going to do no more to stop migrants than the Tories did . The tories were elected in 2019 for two main reasons. Boris Johnson was popular with the English , and he promised to get Brexit done. Johnson was never going to stop immigration , in fact , the few times I listened to what he had to say on the subject , he was quite openly pro immigration. 2019 was the Brexit election. Ive said this now for a number of years , without Brexit , the tories are nothing. They arguably haven't won a majority that wasn't somehow linked to Brexit since major in 1992. Cameron couldnt win a majority in 2010 , despite the disaster that was the new labour governments for the previous 13 years. Cameron won in 2015 off the back of a Brexit referendum. May lost her majority in 2017 , and Johnson won again promising to get Brexit done in 2019. people simply dont trust the tories on many issues like immigration as they are fucking clueless. im simply like you going by the polls. Looks like the tory vote is going to stay at home , and as ive said a number of times , starmer is going to fall into power while the tories fall past him. It’s not going to help the tories that labour are simply just as shite as they are over immigration. Well Johnson did get Brexit done .We are not in the EU anymore . What Johnson ( and the rest )didn’t do is control immigration ( which imo the main Brexit issue) but no one ever thought for a minute that Labour would or will control immigration. So people are simply not punishing the Tories over immigration by giving Labour the chance to do worse . I think people just do not know what the Tories are anymore. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 11:22:56 GMT
Where is the evidence that they are statistically poorer candidates? And if you think people don't act irrationally even against their own best interests I can only conclude that you've had a very sheltered life Where is the evidence that HR departments are deliberately employing racist HR staff with the intent to deny people with certain names employment? If you believe that then it’s you that’s led a life of delusion and still are . Either there is a conspiracy in HR departments across the board to deny people with certain names employment or people with certain names flag up a higher statistical chance of being poor employees. I've provided compelling evidence that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in the job market. Statistical evidence of ethnic minorities being poor employees would be comparative performance data over a significant time period. You've provided nothing of the sort, just speculation. People act against their own best interests all the time, they smoke, they drink too much, eat unhealthy food, stay in unhealthy or abusive relationships, spend money they don't have on things they don't need etc. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 11:30:57 GMT
I think to a large extent the level of discrimination varies according to the business sector and the role that the prospective employee will be filling.
I know from my many years in Silicon Valley that employers in the tech sector are extremely loath to place ethnic minority employees in 'customer-facing' positions even though the overwhelming majority of their employees are members of such minority groups. More often than not Indians and Chinese on H1B visas.
Blacks of any nationality are vanishingly rare in this environment.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:31:56 GMT
Where is the evidence that HR departments are deliberately employing racist HR staff with the intent to deny people with certain names employment? If you believe that then it’s you that’s led a life of delusion and still are . Either there is a conspiracy in HR departments across the board to deny people with certain names employment or people with certain names flag up a higher statistical chance of being poor employees. I've provided compelling evidence that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in the job market. Statistical evidence of ethnic minorities being poor employees would be comparative performance data over a significant time period. You've provided nothing of the sort, just speculation. People act against their own best interests all the time, they smoke, they drink too much, eat unhealthy food, stay in unhealthy or abusive relationships, spend money they don't have on things they don't need etc. No you haven’t. You have provided evidence that 5 years ago people with certain names where regarded as a poorer choice for an interview than people with other names . So either the HR departments chose to deny those people an interview because they were statistically a worse choice or there is a conspiracy between HR departments across the land to deny people with certain names a chance to be employ their companies . Have you any evidence of this dastardly conspiracy? Is it headed by an evil villain ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 11:41:09 GMT
I've provided compelling evidence that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in the job market. Statistical evidence of ethnic minorities being poor employees would be comparative performance data over a significant time period. You've provided nothing of the sort, just speculation. People act against their own best interests all the time, they smoke, they drink too much, eat unhealthy food, stay in unhealthy or abusive relationships, spend money they don't have on things they don't need etc. No you haven’t. You have provided evidence that 5 years ago people with certain names where regarded as a poorer choice for an interview than people with other names . So either the HR departments chose to deny those people an interview because they were statistically a worse choice or there is a conspiracy between HR departments across the land to deny people with certain names a chance to be employ their companies . Have you any evidence of this dastardly conspiracy? Is it headed by an evil villain ? I've provided evidence that: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" I've no idea why you think there would have to be a conspiracy among HR departments to produce this outcome. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:50:01 GMT
No you haven’t. You have provided evidence that 5 years ago people with certain names where regarded as a poorer choice for an interview than people with other names . So either the HR departments chose to deny those people an interview because they were statistically a worse choice or there is a conspiracy between HR departments across the land to deny people with certain names a chance to be employ their companies . Have you any evidence of this dastardly conspiracy? Is it headed by an evil villain ? I've provided evidence that: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" I've no idea why you think there would have to be a conspiracy among HR departments to produce this outcome. I don’t . You seem to though . |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 11:51:57 GMT
I've provided evidence that: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" I've no idea why you think there would have to be a conspiracy among HR departments to produce this outcome. I don’t . You seem to though . Nope. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:52:51 GMT
I don’t . You seem to though . Nope. Yup. |
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