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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 16:15:40 GMT
We appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps if you answered we might move forward. Perhaps if you and your oppo HH desisted from posing such ludicrous and fallacious hypotheticals we could make some significant progress. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 16:17:09 GMT
I could work and live alongside members of the Church of Satan and Scientologists but I couldn’t trust them entirely. personally I trust no one at first sight . Trust isnt a right , it has to be earned. I know muslims I trust , and christians I dont. Its not the race , religion culture or creed its the individual. It’s not the race, religion, culture or creed unless race, religion , culture or creed becomes an issue . Anyone can and will turn in you in extreme circumstances though. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:38:18 GMT
personally I trust no one at first sight . Trust isnt a right , it has to be earned. I know muslims I trust , and christians I dont. Its not the race , religion culture or creed its the individual. It’s not the race, religion, culture or creed unless race, religion , culture or creed becomes an issue . Anyone can and will turn in you in extreme circumstances though. fair enough bently . I just think the muslims as a whole are being unfairly targeted and treated badly . I agree with what Peter oborne said , and how this is mere puerile politicking by the main British party leaders to distract from all their woes. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 16:44:24 GMT
It’s not the race, religion, culture or creed unless race, religion , culture or creed becomes an issue . Anyone can and will turn in you in extreme circumstances though. fair enough bently . I just think the muslims as a whole are being unfairly targeted and treated badly . I agree with what Peter oborne said , and how this is mere puerile politicking by the main British party leaders to distract from all their woes. How exactly are they treated badly ?. They seem to be quite successful in the UK . The UK isn’t oppressing them . The media rarely offends their prophet. I can’t see how or who unfairly targets them to a significant degree. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:48:11 GMT
fair enough bently . I just think the muslims as a whole are being unfairly targeted and treated badly . I agree with what Peter oborne said , and how this is mere puerile politicking by the main British party leaders to distract from all their woes. How exactly are they treated badly ?. They seem to be quite successful in the UK . The UK isn’t oppressing them . The media rarely offends their prophet. I can’t see how or who unfairly targets them to a significant degree. im referring to the recent wave of hysteria in the media demonising muslims as oborne suggested. They are free to support Palestine as they wish , as others are to support Israel. We have plenty of issues on the home front without worrying about foreign wars and affairs , and the fact Rishi sunak and his party have spectacularly failed to control immigration and the uk borders isnt the fault of islam. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 16:56:02 GMT
How exactly are they treated badly ?. They seem to be quite successful in the UK . The UK isn’t oppressing them . The media rarely offends their prophet. I can’t see how or who unfairly targets them to a significant degree. im referring to the recent wave of hysteria in the media demonising muslims as oborne suggested. They are free to support Palestine as they wish , as others are to support Israel. We have plenty of issues on the home front without worrying about foreign wars and affairs , and the fact Rishi sunak and his party have spectacularly failed to control immigration and the uk borders isnt the fault of islam. I dont think they are being demonised .I think that many people are questioning whether importing large numbers of people with an alien culture into the UK. That doesn’t mean they think the local doctor is a member of ISIS. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:58:54 GMT
im referring to the recent wave of hysteria in the media demonising muslims as oborne suggested. They are free to support Palestine as they wish , as others are to support Israel. We have plenty of issues on the home front without worrying about foreign wars and affairs , and the fact Rishi sunak and his party have spectacularly failed to control immigration and the uk borders isnt the fault of islam. I dont think they are being demonised .I think that many people are questioning whether importing large numbers of people with an alien culture into the UK. That doesn’t mean they think the local doctor is a member of ISIS. ok. I dont disagree with you regarding mass uncontrolled immigration. Your government though has clearly lost control of its borders , hasnt performed as promised regarding keeping immigration down , and are simply looking for scapegoats in my opinion to blame. Islam isnt the problem here. Lack of competent governance , and the two main uk political parties not supporting strict controls on immigration are the problem . They simply refuse to do what voters want. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:06:57 GMT
I dont think they are being demonised .I think that many people are questioning whether importing large numbers of people with an alien culture into the UK. That doesn’t mean they think the local doctor is a member of ISIS. ok. I dont disagree with you regarding mass uncontrolled immigration. Your government though has clearly lost control of its borders , hasnt performed as promised regarding keeping immigration down , and are simply looking for scapegoats in my opinion to blame. Islam isnt the problem here. Lack of competent governance , and the two main uk political parties not supporting strict controls on immigration are the problem . They simply refuse to do what voters want. Our government is in an impossible position that it and past governments created. However the moat that protected us from past invaders seems to be an open invitation to anyone with a rubber dinghy , a sob story and without a passport . I don’t know how to stop them without using force , making the crossing pointless and or upsetting our neighbours and neither can anyone else apparently. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
ok. I dont disagree with you regarding mass uncontrolled immigration. Your government though has clearly lost control of its borders , hasnt performed as promised regarding keeping immigration down , and are simply looking for scapegoats in my opinion to blame. Islam isnt the problem here. Lack of competent governance , and the two main uk political parties not supporting strict controls on immigration are the problem . They simply refuse to do what voters want. Our government is in an impossible position that it and past governments created. However the moat that protected us from past invaders seems to be an open invitation to anyone with a rubber dinghy , a sob story and without a passport . I don’t know how to stop them without using force , making the crossing pointless and or upsetting our neighbours and neither can anyone else apparently. I dont agree. No current or future uk government can be bound by a past government .That is how the uk parliament works. It's mere tory excuses for failure in government. We expect mass uncontrolled immigration from labour. Thats a given .The tories though have manifestly failed to back up their empty rhetoric over immigration , hence why their own voters are going to punish them badly at the next election. Time for excuses from them is over. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:28:50 GMT
Our government is in an impossible position that it and past governments created. However the moat that protected us from past invaders seems to be an open invitation to anyone with a rubber dinghy , a sob story and without a passport . I don’t know how to stop them without using force , making the crossing pointless and or upsetting our neighbours and neither can anyone else apparently. I dont agree. No current or future uk government can be bound by a past government .That is how the uk parliament works. It's mere tory excuses for failure in government. We expect mass uncontrolled immigration from labour. Thats a given .The tories though have manifestly failed to back up their empty rhetoric over immigration , hence why their own voters are going to punish them badly at the next election. Time for excuses from them is over. Yes they failed to back up a plan that they were afraid( possibly with reason) to do what was necessary to implement a plan that many have claimed couldn’t work anyway . It doesn’t matter how big our navy used to be or how much influence we held in the past . I dint see how Tory voters will punish the Tories over immigration when Labour is pretty much going to do no more to stop migrants than the Tories did . |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 17:41:15 GMT
"British citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds have to send, on average, 60% more job applications to get a positive response from employers compared to their white counterparts, according to researchers at Nuffield College's Centre for Social Investigation (CSI)." "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417Unless you are claiming Human Resources departments across the land are deliberately trying to damage their employers by denying them the best candidates then the obvious conclusion is that statistically , those candidates would be the worst ones . On the same principle that one might expect 100% of 65year old men would be rejected out of hand for a job as a lap dancer . Read the article in the link, the CVs were identical, only the names were changed. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:44:13 GMT
Unless you are claiming Human Resources departments across the land are deliberately trying to damage their employers by denying them the best candidates then the obvious conclusion is that statistically , those candidates would be the worst ones . On the same principle that one might expect 100% of 65year old men would be rejected out of hand for a job as a lap dancer . Read the article in the link, the CVs were identical, only the names were changed. Read my post . The point is still valid . A 65 year old man could send an identical CV as 22 year old woman for a job as a lap dancer . Guess who would get the interview ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 17:46:28 GMT
Read the article in the link, the CVs were identical, only the names were changed. Read my post . The point is still valid . A 65 year old man could send an identical CV as 22 year old woman for a job as a lap dancer . Guess who would get the interview ? But they only had the CV to go on, only the name was different. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:49:00 GMT
Read my post . The point is still valid . A 65 year old man could send an identical CV as 22 year old woman for a job as a lap dancer . Guess who would get the interview ? But they only had the CV to go on, only the name was different. I know . The point is still valid nomatter how many times you repeat yourself |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 17:52:18 GMT
But they only had the CV to go on, only the name was different. I know . The point is still valid nomatter how many times you repeat yourself If the age and gender are the same then they can't have been rejected because of age or gender. |
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