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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 20:03:01 GMT
Read my post idiot. "What they are not, and never can be is English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish."I'm of immigrant extraction (Irish), my kids are of immigrant extraction (Irish and Indian) and we're English. You can stamp your feet and throw your toys around as much as you like but it won't change anything, question is, what good comes from denying people their national identity? You were born in England. You're English to me. We English are a kindly welcoming lot and not interested in such crap as ancestric qualifications. BTW Have you noticed how many on here are not English by that standard. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 1, 2024 20:34:36 GMT
I'm of immigrant extraction (Irish), my kids are of immigrant extraction (Irish and Indian) and we're English. You can stamp your feet and throw your toys around as much as you like but it won't change anything, question is, what good comes from denying people their national identity? You were born in England. You're English to me. We English are a kindly welcoming lot and not interested in such crap as ancestric qualifications. BTW Have you noticed how many on here are not English by that standard. Bit harsh there Zany,anyway you were interested in ancestry enough to trace your lot back to Richard the first  I’ve done the whole genealogy thing and only got back as far as the early 1700’s as at that time they were peasants working on the land. Anyway there was along the way a fair sprinkle of Irish and Scots,I still think under the circumstances this country has remained welcoming,if you judge me unwelcoming and or racist because I’m less than happy that a Stone Age religion is growing and becoming more strident or that some of the arrivals of late arrive here with a great sense of entitlement and with serious criminal tendencies and say they had to leave countries and systems that they claim threatening and why they had to flee yet wish to recreate that very thing here |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 20:48:43 GMT
You were born in England. You're English to me. We English are a kindly welcoming lot and not interested in such crap as ancestric qualifications. BTW Have you noticed how many on here are not English by that standard. Bit harsh there Zany,anyway you were interested in ancestry enough to trace your lot back to Richard the first I’ve done the whole genealogy thing and only got back as far as the early 1700’s as at that time they were peasants working on the land. Anyway there was along the way a fair sprinkle of Irish and Scots,I still think under the circumstances this country has remained welcoming,if you judge me unwelcoming and or racist because I’m less than happy that a Stone Age religion is growing and becoming more strident or that some of the arrivals of late arrive here with a great sense of entitlement and with serious criminal tendencies and say they had to leave countries and systems that they claim threatening and why they had to flee yet wish to recreate that very thing here I didn't really track back to Richard the first, no one could really. I was just making a point for Red, that not everyone who criticises us must be a dirty foreigner. I find you unwelcoming if you believe modern Muslims follow a stone-age religion. That they are any different to you or I. What you describe are the extremes, you find them in every culture, but they do not represent the majority who just want jobs, homes, families. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2024 21:15:37 GMT
I never said it was. Though there have been British communists, communism was never mainstream here either amongst the people or their rulers. And I like and respect George Orwell and fully relate to what he was telling us in both Animal Farm and 1984. Are you perchance trying to call me a communist now? lol Has a Corbyn supporter yes Britain’s Communist party will not field any general election candidates for the first time since its formation in 1920 in order to throw its weight behind Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party. Declaring its endorsement of Labour’s leader, the Communist Party of Britain said victory for Mr Corbyn at the general election in June would be “the first step towards a formation of left-led government at Westminster Are you really so pig ignorant about ideology that you actually believe Corbyn - whatever his faults - is a communist? And that I am a communist for supporting the policies in the 2017 manifesto? First thing you need to learn is that being left of you does not make anyone a communist. I suggest you educate yourself on what communism actually is. What it isnt is the same thing as demovcratic socialism or social democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2024 21:23:17 GMT
We had a treaty of alliance with Poland and went to war in defence of a victim of aggression. We were not the aggressors ourselves. And Hitler posed a far more real existential threat to us and the rest of Europe than Saddam ever did. Indeed, Saddam's repressive reason kept down the very terrorists in his country who did potentially pose some kind of threat. Right comes into it when we have treaty obligations to a victim of aggression, or indeed regardless of treaty obligations to go to the aid of any victim of aggression. Which was why the 1990-91 Gulf War was justified. We do not have the right to launch invasions ourselves to change regimes we do not like. And my definition of right does not include invading countries because America wants us to. A rather historically inept attempt on your part to excuse the inexcusable by comparing apples with oranges. We do not have the right to launch invasions ourselves to change regimes we do not like. And my definition of right does not include invading countries because America wants us to. A rather historically inept attempt on your part to excuse the inexcusable by comparing apples with oranges. Do you think that Britain had the right time to invalid Afghanistan the training base for Al-quduia and home of Bin ladin[/quote] I would get your quotes sorted out properly if I were you. The Afghan regime was harbouring a terrorist organisation that had carried out a devastating attack on the USA, and could have done similar to us potentially. The Iraqi regime was not. Our terrorist enemies were also his terrorist enemies. Your attempts to excuse the inexcusable over Iraq as an integral part of your hero worship of the beloved Blair whom most of the rest of us have seen through now, has long been duly noticed by most of us. We just accept your tendency to talk shit about such issues as an irritant of little significance, best ignored. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 21:28:28 GMT
Bit harsh there Zany,anyway you were interested in ancestry enough to trace your lot back to Richard the first I’ve done the whole genealogy thing and only got back as far as the early 1700’s as at that time they were peasants working on the land. Anyway there was along the way a fair sprinkle of Irish and Scots,I still think under the circumstances this country has remained welcoming,if you judge me unwelcoming and or racist because I’m less than happy that a Stone Age religion is growing and becoming more strident or that some of the arrivals of late arrive here with a great sense of entitlement and with serious criminal tendencies and say they had to leave countries and systems that they claim threatening and why they had to flee yet wish to recreate that very thing here I didn't really track back to Richard the first, no one could really. I was just making a point for Red, that not everyone who criticises us must be a dirty foreigner. I find you unwelcoming if you believe modern Muslims follow a stone-age religion. That they are any different to you or I. What you describe are the extremes, you find them in every culture, but they do not represent the majority who just want jobs, homes, families. Funny you should mention culture, therein lies the problem, culturally opposites being basically forced to try and live with each other because mostly they have been routed from their own nations, which let's just say leaders of those cultures find it advantageous. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 1, 2024 23:50:18 GMT
I'm of immigrant extraction (Irish), my kids are of immigrant extraction (Irish and Indian) and we're English. You can stamp your feet and throw your toys around as much as you like but it won't change anything, question is, what good comes from denying people their national identity? We English are a kindly welcoming lot You should thank your lucky stars your ancestors weren't so kindly and welcoming they decided to give away their territory to anyone who turned up |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 0:05:49 GMT
I didn't really track back to Richard the first, no one could really. I was just making a point for Red, that not everyone who criticises us must be a dirty foreigner. I find you unwelcoming if you believe modern Muslims follow a stone-age religion. That they are any different to you or I. What you describe are the extremes, you find them in every culture, but they do not represent the majority who just want jobs, homes, families. Funny you should mention culture, therein lies the problem, culturally opposites being basically forced to try and live with each other because mostly they have been routed from their own nations, which let's just say leaders of those cultures find it advantageous. When you meet other cultures you usually find they share a great many similarities with you unless you look for the differences. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 0:09:34 GMT
We English are a kindly welcoming lot You should thank your lucky stars your ancestors weren't so kindly and welcoming they decided to give away their territory to anyone who turned up We didn't give away our territory we sold it. I agree we sold it cheap, but its us who sold it. Of course WE never really owned it, that was just a few very rich who were the lucky children of thugs. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 2, 2024 0:24:17 GMT
You should thank your lucky stars your ancestors weren't so kindly and welcoming they decided to give away their territory to anyone who turned up We didn't give away our territory we sold it. I agree we sold it cheap, but its us who sold it. sold it? I'm not aware of any charge being applied. If WE actually sold it, we should be able to use the money to purchase territory of equal value. I think we may be talking at cross purposes. Allowing large numbers of people in dissolves our territorial claim independently of private purchases |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2024 6:21:12 GMT
Funny you should mention culture, therein lies the problem, culturally opposites being basically forced to try and live with each other because mostly they have been routed from their own nations, which let's just say leaders of those cultures find it advantageous. When you meet other cultures you usually find they share a great many similarities with you unless you look for the differences. Such as? because for sure Labour didn't find them in Rochdale. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 7:34:56 GMT
We didn't give away our territory we sold it. I agree we sold it cheap, but its us who sold it. sold it? I'm not aware of any charge being applied. If WE actually sold it, we should be able to use the money to purchase territory of equal value. We as in the English. But in real terms the small number of English who own most of the land. They acquired the land in the dim and distant past by killing their neighbours and seizing unwanted chunks and holding them by force of arms. It is they who sell small bits of that land to foreigners who they invited here. Fact is England never belonged to you. You have no territorial claim. The people who own the land, own the land. Are you trying to say that the rich who own the land should not be allowed to sell it to non English residents? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 7:36:52 GMT
When you meet other cultures you usually find they share a great many similarities with you unless you look for the differences. Such as? because for sure Labour didn't find them in Rochdale. Labour had no candidate in Rochdale. Though what that has to do with my post you quoted I do not know. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 2, 2024 7:37:25 GMT
Red asked the wrong question. What he should have asked is 'Which haplogroups do your deep patrilineal and matrilineal ancestries correspond to?" Do you mind! I have no links to the Haplo's we don't even go to the same pub. I had a feeling that might go whooshing by but just couldn't resist. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2024 7:40:12 GMT
Such as? because for sure Labour didn't find them in Rochdale. Labour had no candidate in Rochdale. Though what that has to do with my post you quoted I do not know. You said we have more in common with foreign culture than we know Richard, so let's be having them then, in the spirit of fair play. |
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