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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2024 4:50:14 GMT
That was part of the problem. He became a cult figure. They would bow down at he feet. The people reinforced Mao's ideology. In fact the whole series of events and how they unfolded I find very interesting. You see Farage is a bit of a modern day Mao. People power was what Mao believed in. You want the modern word? Well it is now called populism and its sister "direct democracy". China was a larger version of the Stanford Prison Experiment in an odd way. It went bonkers. He didn’t become it. He engineered it . Mao was interested in Mao power .A dictator and a cruel one. Farage is a tiny footnote in UK history . Mao is a great big bloody footprint in World history . Mao was seen as the great liberator of the people. They were done for before he turned up. Mao turned their fortunes around in the military sense but he was no good in peacetime running the economy. Anyway, the whole thing was extremely complicated. It goes through countless twists and turns. The Americans got involved at one time supporting the Chinese because they figured the Japs were the greater evil. The thing about GB News is when they talk about China they talk from a point of view of total ignorance. They just echo the crap that circulates in the papers. I think the best interview I've seen from the British press regarding accuracy was a chap from Oxford University's school of Chinese studies who explained it very well, but I think that was on the BBC.
The Chinese had all sorts having a go at them, and meanwhile the Brits were dreaming that we would be running China in the 21st century. They got too big for their boots, but anyhow Mao was right to be wary of attack.People say he did a crap job, but it makes me wonder what would have happened had he done it how Western people think he should. There are the unknowns as well. We can't know all that he was contending with. Anyway, he never had anything agaisnt the ordinary people. Traitors were a different matter though.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2024 10:07:10 GMT
He didn’t become it. He engineered it . Mao was interested in Mao power .A dictator and a cruel one. Farage is a tiny footnote in UK history . Mao is a great big bloody footprint in World history . Mao was seen as the great liberator of the people. They were done for before he turned up. Mao turned their fortunes around in the military sense but he was no good in peacetime running the economy. Anyway, the whole thing was extremely complicated. It goes through countless twists and turns. The Americans got involved at one time supporting the Chinese because they figured the Japs were the greater evil. The thing about GB News is when they talk about China they talk from a point of view of total ignorance. They just echo the crap that circulates in the papers. I think the best interview I've seen from the British press regarding accuracy was a chap from Oxford University's school of Chinese studies who explained it very well, but I think that was on the BBC.
The Chinese had all sorts having a go at them, and meanwhile the Brits were dreaming that we would be running China in the 21st century. They got too big for their boots, but anyhow Mao was right to be wary of attack.People say he did a crap job, but it makes me wonder what would have happened had he done it how Western people think he should. There are the unknowns as well. We can't know all that he was contending with. Anyway, he never had anything agaisnt the ordinary people. Traitors were a different matter though.
He was seen as the great liberator of the people because the people were fed the propaganda and anyone who disputed it was either killed or sent to reeducation camps . Mao ran a cult of personality similar to Kim Il Sung, the same superman myths , the same intolerance for dissent . The ‘Brits’ were dreaming of running China in the 21st century . This is just bollocks . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2024 13:21:24 GMT
Mao was seen as the great liberator of the people. They were done for before he turned up. Mao turned their fortunes around in the military sense but he was no good in peacetime running the economy. Anyway, the whole thing was extremely complicated. It goes through countless twists and turns. The Americans got involved at one time supporting the Chinese because they figured the Japs were the greater evil. The thing about GB News is when they talk about China they talk from a point of view of total ignorance. They just echo the crap that circulates in the papers. I think the best interview I've seen from the British press regarding accuracy was a chap from Oxford University's school of Chinese studies who explained it very well, but I think that was on the BBC.
The Chinese had all sorts having a go at them, and meanwhile the Brits were dreaming that we would be running China in the 21st century. They got too big for their boots, but anyhow Mao was right to be wary of attack.People say he did a crap job, but it makes me wonder what would have happened had he done it how Western people think he should. There are the unknowns as well. We can't know all that he was contending with. Anyway, he never had anything agaisnt the ordinary people. Traitors were a different matter though.
He was seen as the great liberator of the people because the people were fed the propaganda and anyone who disputed it was either killed or sent to reeducation camps . Mao ran a cult of personality similar to Kim Il Sung, the same superman myths , the same intolerance for dissent . The ‘Brits’ were dreaming of running China in the 21st century . This is just bollocks . Apparently they were. See this guy about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc and if you still think it is bollox you tell him that. I think he is a history teacher though.
By the way, regarding Koreans, the current leader of North Korea had his own brother murdered. Mao was not the archetypal ruthless dictator. He was chiefly a academic. His speeches demonstrate this.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 14:23:09 GMT
He was seen as the great liberator of the people because the people were fed the propaganda and anyone who disputed it was either killed or sent to reeducation camps . Mao ran a cult of personality similar to Kim Il Sung, the same superman myths , the same intolerance for dissent . The ‘Brits’ were dreaming of running China in the 21st century . This is just bollocks . Apparently they were. See this guy about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc and if you still think it is bollox you tell him that. I think he is a history teacher though.
By the way, regarding Koreans, the current leader of North Korea had his own brother murdered. Mao was not the archetypal ruthless dictator. He was chiefly an academic. His speeches demonstrate this.
I dreamed of shagging Pamela Anderson once . I had as much chance as the ‘ Brits’ running China . I dont need to tell the history teacher . I just need to tell the bloke posting nonsense . Mao was chiefly a psychopathic dictator directly responsible for millions of deaths . Stop believing the CCP propaganda. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2024 14:33:34 GMT
Apparently they were. See this guy about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc and if you still think it is bollox you tell him that. I think he is a history teacher though.
By the way, regarding Koreans, the current leader of North Korea had his own brother murdered. Mao was not the archetypal ruthless dictator. He was chiefly an academic. His speeches demonstrate this.
I dreamed of shagging Pamela Anderson once . I had as much chance as the ‘ Brits’ running China . I dont need to tell the history teacher . I just need to tell the bloke posting nonsense . Mao was chiefly a psychopathic dictator directly responsible for millions of deaths . Stop believing the CCP propaganda. You have developed the same mental block as Vinny has on discussions about Russia. GB News/Daily Mail/Express turns you into an intellectual pigmy! Even the wokers down at the BBC manage a little better on Chinese intelligence. By the way, have a listen to this chap. Here he gives an industrial report on China's solar power. It is very impressive.
In fact this guy in the link used to be a professional golfer and he now works to help US-China relations. He's a diplomat!
I like the 6 year thorium reactor project that was completed in 3 years. Imagine the surprise you would get if Hinkley Point or HS2 was completed in half the scheduled time. They really do show our country up as utter fuckwits. Hinckley is now officially the most expansive nuclear power station in the world. You guys have been ripped, not the Chinese.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 15:34:35 GMT
I dreamed of shagging Pamela Anderson once . I had as much chance as the ‘ Brits’ running China . I dont need to tell the history teacher . I just need to tell the bloke posting nonsense . Mao was chiefly a psychopathic dictator directly responsible for millions of deaths . Stop believing the CCP propaganda. You have developed the same mental block as Vinny has on discussions about Russia. GB News/Daily Mail/Express turns you into an intellectual pigmy! Even the wokers down at the BBC manage a little better on Chinese intelligence. By the way, have a listen to this chap. Here he gives an industrial report on China's solar power. It is very impressive.
In fact this guy in the link used to be a professional golfer and he now works to help US-China relations. He's a diplomat!
I like the 6 year thorium reactor project that was completed in 3 years. Imagine the surprise you would get if Hinkley Point or HS2 was completed in half the scheduled time. They really do show our country up as utter fuckwits. Hinckley is now officially the most expansive nuclear power station in the world. You guys have been ripped, not the Chinese.
Mental block? I’m not the one talking CCP propaganda. I’m not the one changing goalposts from a delusional history teacher, a Korean leader killing his brother , a pro Chinese golfer and a nuclear reactor to obfuscate from the fact that Mao was effectively a mad dictator . Chinese propaganda for dummies . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2024 16:33:00 GMT
You have developed the same mental block as Vinny has on discussions about Russia. GB News/Daily Mail/Express turns you into an intellectual pigmy! Even the wokers down at the BBC manage a little better on Chinese intelligence. By the way, have a listen to this chap. Here he gives an industrial report on China's solar power. It is very impressive.
In fact this guy in the link used to be a professional golfer and he now works to help US-China relations. He's a diplomat!
I like the 6 year thorium reactor project that was completed in 3 years. Imagine the surprise you would get if Hinkley Point or HS2 was completed in half the scheduled time. They really do show our country up as utter fuckwits. Hinckley is now officially the most expansive nuclear power station in the world. You guys have been ripped, not the Chinese.
Mental block? I’m not the one talking CCP propaganda. I’m not the one changing goalposts from a delusional history teacher, a Korean leader killing his brother , a pro Chinese golfer and a nuclear reactor to obfuscate from the fact that Mao was effectively a mad dictator . Chinese propaganda for dummies . I can't really respond intelligently to mindless slurs on someone's character. It's like responding to a Daily Mail article, as per there is no intellectual content to comment on. Anyway, I thought I'd move the conversation on a bit. We started by chatting about why I thought GB news talks shit, well that video, which i woke up this morning to watch was rather interesting. China is dominating renewable energy. While you argue about Mao, our country's industrial model is being slaughtered, where China proves what we can't do. GB News talks shit about renewable energy as well, but this chap shows they are all wrong. The amount of power they get from the sun in the huge desert is phenomenal and it is dirt cheap energy, which brings down the cost of manufacturing. Listen to an intelligent man for once and then you will see GB News finds itself wanting. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 16:40:08 GMT
Mental block? I’m not the one talking CCP propaganda. I’m not the one changing goalposts from a delusional history teacher, a Korean leader killing his brother , a pro Chinese golfer and a nuclear reactor to obfuscate from the fact that Mao was effectively a mad dictator . Chinese propaganda for dummies . I can't really respond intelligently to mindless slurs on someone's character. It's like responding to a Daily Mail article, as per there is no intellectual content to comment on. Anyway, I thought I'd move the conversation on a bit. We started by chatting about why I thought GB news talks shit, well that video, which i woke up this morning to watch was rather interesting. China is dominating renewable energy. While you argue about Mao, our country's industrial model is being slaughtered, where China proves what we can't do. GB News talks shit about renewable energy as well, but this chap shows they are all wrong. The amount of power they get from the sun in the huge desert is phenomenal and it is dirt cheap energy, which brings down the cost of manufacturing. Listen to an intelligent man for once and then you will see GB News finds itself wanting. I’m not arguing about renewable energy and I don’t watch GB news at all . Whereas you seem to have an insatiable appetite for CCP propaganda. If it’s possible to post mindless slurs on the character of a Green tooth , filthy ,dictator with a penchant for young girls and mass slaughter then let me know how. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2024 17:08:26 GMT
I can't really respond intelligently to mindless slurs on someone's character. It's like responding to a Daily Mail article, as per there is no intellectual content to comment on. Anyway, I thought I'd move the conversation on a bit. We started by chatting about why I thought GB news talks shit, well that video, which i woke up this morning to watch was rather interesting. China is dominating renewable energy. While you argue about Mao, our country's industrial model is being slaughtered, where China proves what we can't do. GB News talks shit about renewable energy as well, but this chap shows they are all wrong. The amount of power they get from the sun in the huge desert is phenomenal and it is dirt cheap energy, which brings down the cost of manufacturing. Listen to an intelligent man for once and then you will see GB News finds itself wanting. I’m not arguing about renewable energy and I don’t watch GB news at all . Whereas you seem to have an insatiable appetite for CCP propaganda. If it’s possible to post mindless slurs on the character of a Green tooth , filthy ,dictator with a penchant for young girls and mass slaughter then let me know how. Mao is still held in high esteem in China. I wondered myself about that for a long time, but now I feel I have a better understanding of the current view of Mao in China. The view is that to build a capitalist society you need a socialist base. You need a strong government that creates the right conditions for free trade. For example you can't just let factories start up and start selling their wares as per the extreme and pure free market model. In practice you need the ports to export the goods to the customer and no small time factory owner has those kind of funds. The other example often given is education. A factory can not operate unless it has access to educated labour. so that is the basis for the rationale behind the mixed economy model where socialism and capitalism happily co-exist.
If we go back to the time of Mao though, what we had were strong foreign industrial powers like the Japanese, the Americans and the British, who were all looking to exploit the Chinese market. Now Mao was ideologically opposed to this so he deliberately held back capitalism because these foreign corporations were so strong they would monopolise the market as we have seen in many other countries. They suck the raw material wealth out of the country, e.g. Africa is a good example of this, and then they leave the locals with nothing.I will have to check what this history teacher claims about the view of the British Empire regarding China circa 1900. It seems to fit well but as of now is single-sourced hence why I suggested you ask him if you believe it is wrong. Anyway, that's how i see it. Mao was playing the military defensive role and had to clamp down which hurt the local economy at the time, but as we can see now the greater game is won. Mao can indeed be regarded as the great liberator. Actually in his own words it turns out doctor asked him towards the end of his life, who do you think you are, and his reply was, I am a teacher.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:21:43 GMT
I’m not arguing about renewable energy and I don’t watch GB news at all . Whereas you seem to have an insatiable appetite for CCP propaganda. If it’s possible to post mindless slurs on the character of a Green tooth , filthy ,dictator with a penchant for young girls and mass slaughter then let me know how. Mao is still held in high esteem in China. I wondered myself about that for a long time, but now I feel I have a better understanding of the current view of Mao in China. The view is that to build a capitalist society you need a socialist base. You need a strong government that creates the right conditions for free trade. For example you can't just let factories start up and start selling their wares as per the extreme and pure free market model. In practice you need the ports to export the goods to the customer and no small time factory owner has those kind of funds. The other example often given is education. A factory can not operate unless it has access to educated labour. so that is the basis for the rationale behind the mixed economy model where socialism and capitalism happily co-exist.
If we go back to the time of Mao though, what we had were strong foreign industrial powers like the Japanese, the Americans and the British, who were all looking to exploit the Chinese market. Now Mao was ideologically opposed to this so he deliberately held back capitalism because these foreign corporations were so strong they would monopolise the market as we have seen in many other countries. They suck the raw material wealth out of the country, e.g. Africa is a good example of this, and then they leave the locals with nothing.I will have to check what this history teacher claims about the view of the British Empire regarding China circa 1900. It seems to fit well but as of now is single-sourced hence why I suggested you ask him if you believe it is wrong. Anyway, that's how i see it. Mao was playing the military defensive role and had to clamp down which hurt the local economy at the time, but as we can see now the greater game is won. Mao can indeed be regarded as the great liberator. Actually in his own words it turns out doctor asked him towards the end of his life, who do you think you are, and his reply was, I am a teacher.
No matter how much verbiage you post you can never refute the fact that Mao was a dirty Green toothed lecher and murderer of millions of innocent Chinese people . Was Maos path the only way ? I doubt it . In fact the cultural revolution might have delayed Chinas path to modernity and kept the giant asleep for at least a decade more . Would Chiang Kai-shek and the corrupt Kuomintang been a better government for China ? Maybe , maybe not but none of that refutes the fact that Mao was a murderous dictator . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2024 17:34:42 GMT
Mao is still held in high esteem in China. I wondered myself about that for a long time, but now I feel I have a better understanding of the current view of Mao in China. The view is that to build a capitalist society you need a socialist base. You need a strong government that creates the right conditions for free trade. For example you can't just let factories start up and start selling their wares as per the extreme and pure free market model. In practice you need the ports to export the goods to the customer and no small time factory owner has those kind of funds. The other example often given is education. A factory can not operate unless it has access to educated labour. so that is the basis for the rationale behind the mixed economy model where socialism and capitalism happily co-exist.
If we go back to the time of Mao though, what we had were strong foreign industrial powers like the Japanese, the Americans and the British, who were all looking to exploit the Chinese market. Now Mao was ideologically opposed to this so he deliberately held back capitalism because these foreign corporations were so strong they would monopolise the market as we have seen in many other countries. They suck the raw material wealth out of the country, e.g. Africa is a good example of this, and then they leave the locals with nothing.I will have to check what this history teacher claims about the view of the British Empire regarding China circa 1900. It seems to fit well but as of now is single-sourced hence why I suggested you ask him if you believe it is wrong. Anyway, that's how i see it. Mao was playing the military defensive role and had to clamp down which hurt the local economy at the time, but as we can see now the greater game is won. Mao can indeed be regarded as the great liberator. Actually in his own words it turns out doctor asked him towards the end of his life, who do you think you are, and his reply was, I am a teacher.
No matter how much verbiage you post you can never refute the fact that Mao was a dirty Green toothed lecher and murderer of millions of innocent Chinese people . Was Maos path the only way ? I doubt it . In fact the cultural revolution might have delayed Chinas path to modernity and kept the giant asleep for at least a decade more . Would Chiang Kai-shek and the corrupt Kuomintang been a better government for China ? Maybe , maybe not but none of that refutes the fact that Mao was a murderous dictator . The long story starts when the Chinese factories at the time when the Nationalists were in power had a labour shortage, so they employed some Russians. The Russians came with their books and taught the workers about Marx and workers rights. This led to a group of workers demanding better working conditions, as per typical union stuff like what we experience in Blighty. Unlike the unions in Blighty, the Nationalists responded to this by rounding the culprits up in front of a firing squad and shot the lot. You see what had happened? The Qing dynasty screwed the Hans over, they revolted and got in power an equally nasty set of fascists, if not probably worse. They had to fight back, and this is where meeting the young Mao made it possible. Mao was an intellectual and a very smarty man. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 3, 2024 17:36:25 GMT
No doubt about it, it's a runaway winner. Word of the week goes to Bentley... ... verbiage - a profusion of words usually of little or obscure content. Superb word.  |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:37:27 GMT
No matter how much verbiage you post you can never refute the fact that Mao was a dirty Green toothed lecher and murderer of millions of innocent Chinese people . Was Maos path the only way ? I doubt it . In fact the cultural revolution might have delayed Chinas path to modernity and kept the giant asleep for at least a decade more . Would Chiang Kai-shek and the corrupt Kuomintang been a better government for China ? Maybe , maybe not but none of that refutes the fact that Mao was a murderous dictator . The long story starts when the Chinese factories at the time when the Nationalists were in power had a labour shortage, so they employed some Russians. The Russians came with their books and taught the workers about Marx and workers rights. This led to a group of workers demanding better working conditions, as per typical union stuff like what we experience in Blighty. Unlike the unions in Blighty, the Nationalists responded to this by rounding the culprits up in front of a firing squad and shot the lot. You see what had happened? The Quing dynasty screwed the Hans over, they revolted and got in power an equally nasty set of fascists, if not probably worse. They had to fight back, and this is where meeting the young Mao made it possible. Mao was an intellectual and a very smarty man. And a mass murderer, Psycho and dictator as well. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 17:38:27 GMT
No doubt about it, it's a runaway winner. Word of the week goes to Bentley... ... verbiage - a profusion of words usually of little or obscure content. Superb word. Lol. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2024 17:53:35 GMT
The long story starts when the Chinese factories at the time when the Nationalists were in power had a labour shortage, so they employed some Russians. The Russians came with their books and taught the workers about Marx and workers rights. This led to a group of workers demanding better working conditions, as per typical union stuff like what we experience in Blighty. Unlike the unions in Blighty, the Nationalists responded to this by rounding the culprits up in front of a firing squad and shot the lot. You see what had happened? The Quing dynasty screwed the Hans over, they revolted and got in power an equally nasty set of fascists, if not probably worse. They had to fight back, and this is where meeting the young Mao made it possible. Mao was an intellectual and a very smarty man. And a mass murderer, Psycho and dictator as well. All leaders dictate, don't they? I still have not heard how you came to the conclusion he was a mass murderer. I guess you heard it from GB News or the Daily Mail. Can I have your verbiage on that before I know if you have a point or not. |
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