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Post by Vinny on Mar 1, 2024 12:49:23 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 16:18:52 GMT
You are just confirming what I already told you. No one knows how many. All wiki has there are various estimates, and you can see they range so widely that the only certainty is that there is uncertainty. We all know it was extremely tragic and vast numbers in the millions died, but you need some historical context which you lack. The country at that time was very disorganised. Administration was done like it was back in the old days with travelling messengers. Phones only became a thing in China when Huawei started. It was very poor. The Chinese government today call it the century of humiliation. By the way, I found an interesting link here on the British Empire in the last quarter of the 19c. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc
At the time we were planning on making China a part of the British Empire as we did with India. This colonisation led to the Boxer Rebellion. One thing you could say about Mao was he did know his history, even if people like you are never taught it in school because it is too unBritish. Mao was a military man like yourself, and he was concerned with keeping the bastards out. There were problem though. One notable problem was they fell out with the Russians. This was because Mao suspected their new leader was a traitor, but he was not the only leader to think this.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 16:25:45 GMT
You are just confirming what I already told you. No one knows how many. All wiki has there are various estimates, and you can see they range so widely that the only certainty is that there is uncertainty. We all know it was extremely tragic and vast numbers in the millions died, but you need some historical context which you lack. The country at that time was very disorganised. Administration was done like it was back in the old days with travelling messengers. Phones only became a thing in China when Huawei started. It was very poor. The Chinese government today call it the century of humiliation. By the way, I found an interesting link here on the British Empire in the last quarter of the 19c. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc
At the time we were planning on making China a part of the British Empire as we did with India. This colonisation led to the Boxer Rebellion. One thing you could say about Mao was he did know his history, even if people like you are never taught it in school because it is too unBritish. Mao was a military man like yourself, and he was concerned with keeping the bastards out. There were problem though. One notable problem was they fell out with the Russians. This was because Mao suspected their new leader was a traitor, but he was not the only leader to think this.
Off the top of my head…the Great Leap Forward and the great Chinese famine had nothing to do with the Boxer rebellion and was many years after . What hasnt been pointed out was the huge number of Chinese intellectuals killed in the Cultural revolution ..a massive act of social vandalism by the Green toothed great helmsman ( Mao). Oh and another deliberate act social vandalism was the hundred flowers campaign .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 16:40:10 GMT
You are just confirming what I already told you. No one knows how many. All wiki has there are various estimates, and you can see they range so widely that the only certainty is that there is uncertainty. We all know it was extremely tragic and vast numbers in the millions died, but you need some historical context which you lack. The country at that time was very disorganised. Administration was done like it was back in the old days with travelling messengers. Phones only became a thing in China when Huawei started. It was very poor. The Chinese government today call it the century of humiliation. By the way, I found an interesting link here on the British Empire in the last quarter of the 19c. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQ8aAFwyJc
At the time we were planning on making China a part of the British Empire as we did with India. This colonisation led to the Boxer Rebellion. One thing you could say about Mao was he did know his history, even if people like you are never taught it in school because it is too unBritish. Mao was a military man like yourself, and he was concerned with keeping the bastards out. There were problem though. One notable problem was they fell out with the Russians. This was because Mao suspected their new leader was a traitor, but he was not the only leader to think this.
Off the top of my head…the Great Leap Forward and the great Chinese famine had nothing to do with the Boxer rebellion and was many years after . What hasnt been pointed out was the huge number of Chinese intellectuals killed in the Cultural revolution ..a massive act of social vandalism by the Green toothed great helmsman ( Mao). Oh and another deliberate act social vandalism was the hundred flowers campaign . I referred to that earlier. That was the rightists. They were hunting them down as suspected traitors. What Mao basically did was to let the people be their own army. It kind of worked a bit in the beginning, but then it spiralled out of control so no one was in control of it. The huge crowd can behave like a beast. The trouble for President Xi at the time was he was one of those academics. He took refuge in the country, and got to do menial work on the peasant farms, but you see President Xi was special. Everything he did on the farm was done brilliantly and he got a reputation for it. This was the start of a very long road to the top. So he has been there, done that, got a few bruises but it built character.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 16:52:38 GMT
Off the top of my head…the Great Leap Forward and the great Chinese famine had nothing to do with the Boxer rebellion and was many years after . What hasnt been pointed out was the huge number of Chinese intellectuals killed in the Cultural revolution ..a massive act of social vandalism by the Green toothed great helmsman ( Mao). Oh and another deliberate act social vandalism was the hundred flowers campaign . I referred to that earlier. That was the rightists. They were hunting them down as suspected traitors. What Mao basically did was to let the people be their own army. It kind of worked a bit in the beginning, but then it spiralled out of control so no one was in control of it. The huge crowd can behave like a beast. The trouble for President Xi at the time was he was one of those academics. He took refuge in the country, and got to do menial work on the peasant farms, but you see President Xi was special. Everything he did on the farm was done brilliantly and he got a reputation for it. This was the start of a very long road to the top. So he has been there, done that, got a few bruises but it built character. Yup anyone was an academic was a target . It has nothing to do with ‘ rightists’ it was Mao the sociopath. No one is convinced by your excuses l
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 17:23:16 GMT
I referred to that earlier. That was the rightists. They were hunting them down as suspected traitors. What Mao basically did was to let the people be their own army. It kind of worked a bit in the beginning, but then it spiralled out of control so no one was in control of it. The huge crowd can behave like a beast. The trouble for President Xi at the time was he was one of those academics. He took refuge in the country, and got to do menial work on the peasant farms, but you see President Xi was special. Everything he did on the farm was done brilliantly and he got a reputation for it. This was the start of a very long road to the top. So he has been there, done that, got a few bruises but it built character. Yup anyone was an academic was a target . It has nothing to do with ‘ rightists’ it was Mao the sociopath. No one is convinced by your excuses l Mao was not a sociopath, whatever that is supposed to mean. He was the opposite, which is a socialist. Towards the end of his life as he fell into semi-retirement he used to hold these huge Western style parties with thousands of guests, but it was like anyone could come along as they are people's parties. They danced all night to Western music, like jazz and disco stuff. This was his pleasure. He loved the ordinary people and the people were the centre of what later became the philosophy of Maoism. We can argue that it didn't work. That would be fair comment, but Mao was never willing to destroy the country, rather he loved it. What was going through his mind was the idea that around every corner there would be a traitor who would jeopardise the revolution. He believed in giving power to the people and that was why we had these Red Guards. You see a theme repeat time and time again with Mao. all his decisions were governed by ideology, not pragmatism. If there were ever a time when the ideology was threatened then he would double down. One of the early signs of this was to do with farmer being allowed to set their own prices for produce, where he saw that it became too capitalist, so he reversed a lot of what Deng was trying to do for the country. Deng was a good guy and later took over when Mao died.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 17:30:29 GMT
Yup anyone was an academic was a target . It has nothing to do with ‘ rightists’ it was Mao the sociopath. No one is convinced by your excuses l Mao was not a sociopath, whatever that is supposed to mean. He was the opposite, which is a socialist. Towards the end of his life as he fell into semi-retirement he used to hold these huge Western style parties with thousands of guests, but it was like anyone could come along as they are people's parties. They danced all night to Western music, like jazz and disco stuff. This was his pleasure. He loved the ordinary people and the people were the centre of what later became the philosophy of Maoism. We can argue that it didn't work. That would be fair comment, but Mao was never willing to destroy the country, rather he loved it. What was going through his mind was the idea that around every corner there would be a traitor who would jeopardise the revolution. He believed in giving power to the people and that was why we had these Red Guards. You see a theme repeat time and time again with Mao. all his decisions were governed by ideology, not pragmatism. If there were ever a time when the ideology was threatened then he would double down. One of the early signs of this was to do with farmer being allowed to set their own prices for produce, where he saw that it became too capitalist, so he reversed a lot of what Deng was trying to do for the country. Deng was a good guy and later took over when Mao died. Christ ….you post some guff.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 19:18:06 GMT
Mao was not a sociopath, whatever that is supposed to mean. He was the opposite, which is a socialist. Towards the end of his life as he fell into semi-retirement he used to hold these huge Western style parties with thousands of guests, but it was like anyone could come along as they are people's parties. They danced all night to Western music, like jazz and disco stuff. This was his pleasure. He loved the ordinary people and the people were the centre of what later became the philosophy of Maoism. We can argue that it didn't work. That would be fair comment, but Mao was never willing to destroy the country, rather he loved it. What was going through his mind was the idea that around every corner there would be a traitor who would jeopardise the revolution. He believed in giving power to the people and that was why we had these Red Guards. You see a theme repeat time and time again with Mao. all his decisions were governed by ideology, not pragmatism. If there were ever a time when the ideology was threatened then he would double down. One of the early signs of this was to do with farmer being allowed to set their own prices for produce, where he saw that it became too capitalist, so he reversed a lot of what Deng was trying to do for the country. Deng was a good guy and later took over when Mao died. Christ ….you post some guff. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent. Take some time to study it and come back to me when you are educated.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 19:54:55 GMT
Christ ….you post some guff. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent. Take some time to study it and come back to me when you are educated. I thought you was too. I dont get my information from CCP indoctrination for dummies . Mao was a sociopathic, corrupt megalomaniac.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 20:02:59 GMT
I thought you were supposed to be intelligent. Take some time to study it and come back to me when you are educated. I thought you was too. I dont get my information from CCP indoctrination for dummies . Mao was a sociopathic, corrupt megalomaniac. This is the level of intelligence of GB News. I've given my reasons to back up what I said and you have not. It is the reason I have quit GB News altogether.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 20:07:27 GMT
I thought you was too. I dont get my information from CCP indoctrination for dummies . Mao was a sociopathic, corrupt megalomaniac. This is the level of intelligence of GB News. I've given my reasons to back up what I said and you have not. It is the reason I have quit GB News altogether. Maybe but unfortunately for you even GB news wouldn’t be fooled into lionising GB. That’s for the CCP and their stooges ….far lower standard than anything GB news has tried to peddle afaik.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 20:38:56 GMT
This is the level of intelligence of GB News. I've given my reasons to back up what I said and you have not. It is the reason I have quit GB News altogether. Maybe but unfortunately for you even GB news wouldn’t be fooled into lionising GB. That’s for the CCP and their stooges ….far lower standard than anything GB news has tried to peddle afaik. What most Brits don't understand is Chinese culture is radically different from their own. The biggest mistakes are in thinking what is normal in the UK is automatically normal in China. Loads of stuff can catch you out. They think differently and do stuff differently. What we do know is they are happy the way it is. In China the vast majority support their government. President Xi has al the power because he is in effect their emperor. The country is very old and traditional, but also modern at the same time. Lots of stuff in China is paradoxical, yet the way it is to them makes sense. Why can't we just be happy they are happy. Why all the hostility towards them?
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
Maybe but unfortunately for you even GB news wouldn’t be fooled into lionising GB. That’s for the CCP and their stooges ….far lower standard than anything GB news has tried to peddle afaik. What most Brits don't understand is Chinese culture is radically different from their own. The biggest mistakes are in thinking what is normal in the UK is automatically normal in China. Loads of stuff can catch you out. They think differently and do stuff differently. What we do know is they are happy the way it is. In China the vast majority support their government. President Xi has al the power because he is in effect their emperor. The country is very old and traditional, but also modern at the same time. Lots of stuff in China is paradoxical, yet the way it is to them makes sense. Why can't we just be happy they are happy. Why all the hostility towards them? Yes I’m sure the millions that suffered under Mao were very happy to be happy . Let’s stop the party political broadcast on behalf of the CCP . It’s not working .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2024 20:49:22 GMT
What most Brits don't understand is Chinese culture is radically different from their own. The biggest mistakes are in thinking what is normal in the UK is automatically normal in China. Loads of stuff can catch you out. They think differently and do stuff differently. What we do know is they are happy the way it is. In China the vast majority support their government. President Xi has al the power because he is in effect their emperor. The country is very old and traditional, but also modern at the same time. Lots of stuff in China is paradoxical, yet the way it is to them makes sense. Why can't we just be happy they are happy. Why all the hostility towards them? Yes I’m sure the millions that suffered under Mao were very happy to be happy . Let’s stop the party political broadcast on behalf of the CCP . It’s not working . That was part of the problem. He became a cult figure. They would bow down at he feet. The people reinforced Mao's ideology. In fact the whole series of events and how they unfolded I find very interesting. You see Farage is a bit of a modern day Mao. People power was what Mao believed in. You want the modern word? Well it is now called populism and its sister "direct democracy". China was a larger version of the Stanford Prison Experiment in an odd way. It went bonkers.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 20:53:28 GMT
Yes I’m sure the millions that suffered under Mao were very happy to be happy . Let’s stop the party political broadcast on behalf of the CCP . It’s not working . That was part of the problem. He became a cult figure. They would bow down at he feet. The people reinforced Mao's ideology. In fact the whole series of events and how they unfolded I find very interesting. You see Farage is a bit of a modern day Mao. People power was what Mao believed in. You want the modern word? Well it is now called populism and its sister "direct democracy". China was a larger version of the Stanford Prison Experiment in an odd way. It went bonkers. He didn’t become it. He engineered it . Mao was interested in Mao power .A dictator and a cruel one. Farage is a tiny footnote in UK history . Mao is a great big bloody footprint in World history .
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