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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 21, 2022 0:04:53 GMT
I'm funny like James Corden.
By that I mean I steal all my best jokes from Jimmy Carr.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 0:12:07 GMT
Yes, I feel they were heavily indoctrinated and have no way of deprogramming themselves. It's like they're stuck in a loop, convinced they're the righteous and becoming more miserable by the day because of it. They make Trump look modest. They were (and judging by darling still are) totally distraught at losing our money that was paying for the circus.. Hitting them in the pocket was a personal slight to them.. I guess they have nothing else going on. It can't be healthy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 0:17:41 GMT
They were (and judging by darling still are) totally distraught at losing our money that was paying for the circus.. Hitting them in the pocket was a personal slight to them.. I guess they have nothing else going on. It can't be healthy. First I had to fake my own death to get away from Monte's jokes. Now this. What a shit night! |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2022 7:30:44 GMT
well for a start: 1 - the UK didn't have to offer to bailout Ireland in the first place and.. 2 - if Ireland felt the terms were that bad why did they grab that bailout with both hands? ...answers on a postcard..  You described the UK's minor contribution to Ireland's 'bailout' as largesse. It was nothing of the sort. It was a commercial loan given at high interest rates. The agreement didn't allow Ireland to pay the loan off early. Ireland surprised everyone by fixing their economy very quickly and putting itself in a position where it was able to repay the loans it got from several different sources early. All the other lenders, including the EU, agreed to take an early repayment. The only party that refused was the UK, because early payment would have meant the loss of interest payments. Apparently, that caused a lot of anger in the Irish media, because all the other lenders accepted early payment, and it looked like the Conservative Government was trying to take advantage of Ireland's misfortune. But, an agreement is an agreement and Cameron was entitled to insist that Ireland stick to the strict terms. And Ireland stuck to what was agreed. As I said, Karma be a bitch! Because now the Irish are insisting the UK stick strictly to the terms of its agreement with the EU. As I've already told you, Ireland "fixed their economy" by becoming a tax haven and effectively stealing VAT receipts from other EU countries. There are a vast number of companies that now have their HQ in Ireland, but nothing else. Also Ireland has NOT fixed its economy. It still owes 245 billion euros (and still going up) which makes it one of the most indebted countries (per capita) in the world. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 9:21:23 GMT
As I've already told you, Ireland "fixed their economy" by becoming a tax haven and effectively stealing VAT receipts from other EU countries. There are a vast number of companies that now have their HQ in Ireland, but nothing else. Also Ireland has NOT fixed its economy. It still owes 245 billion euros (and still going up) which makes it one of the most indebted countries (per capita) in the world. Hold on a second, Snugs. You were practically falling yourself to tell us how successful Switzerland's economy is. They have low corporate tax too (only fractionally higher than Ireland's). Try not to contradict yourself quite so often. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 9:23:51 GMT
As I've already told you, Ireland "fixed their economy" by becoming a tax haven and effectively stealing VAT receipts from other EU countries. There are a vast number of companies that now have their HQ in Ireland, but nothing else. Also Ireland has NOT fixed its economy. It still owes 245 billion euros (and still going up) which makes it one of the most indebted countries (per capita) in the world. Let's compare Ireland's national debt burden with that of your Nirvana, Switzerland. Ireland (population 5 million) owes 240 billion Euros; Switzerland (population 8 million) owes 336 billion dollars. All in all, the difference doesn't seem that substantial. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 9:24:38 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Nov 21, 2022 10:42:10 GMT
You described the UK's minor contribution to Ireland's 'bailout' as largesse. It was nothing of the sort. It was a commercial loan given at high interest rates. The agreement didn't allow Ireland to pay the loan off early. Ireland surprised everyone by fixing their economy very quickly and putting itself in a position where it was able to repay the loans it got from several different sources early. All the other lenders, including the EU, agreed to take an early repayment. The only party that refused was the UK, because early payment would have meant the loss of interest payments. Apparently, that caused a lot of anger in the Irish media, because all the other lenders accepted early payment, and it looked like the Conservative Government was trying to take advantage of Ireland's misfortune. But, an agreement is an agreement and Cameron was entitled to insist that Ireland stick to the strict terms. And Ireland stuck to what was agreed. As I said, Karma be a bitch! Because now the Irish are insisting the UK stick strictly to the terms of its agreement with the EU. As I've already told you, Ireland "fixed their economy" by becoming a tax haven and effectively stealing VAT receipts from other EU countries. There are a vast number of companies that now have their HQ in Ireland, but nothing else. Also Ireland has NOT fixed its economy. It still owes 245 billion euros (and still going up) which makes it one of the most indebted countries (per capita) in the world. Ireland is just storing up problems for the future and will go through another crash. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 11:01:55 GMT
As I've already told you, Ireland "fixed their economy" by becoming a tax haven and effectively stealing VAT receipts from other EU countries. There are a vast number of companies that now have their HQ in Ireland, but nothing else. Also Ireland has NOT fixed its economy. It still owes 245 billion euros (and still going up) which makes it one of the most indebted countries (per capita) in the world. Ireland is just storing up problems for the future and will go through another crash. I'm sure they're desperate for economic advice from a Brexit voter, Vinny. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 13:33:13 GMT
No becasue I always accepted that polls were indications of public opinions not definitive measures of that will. I accept that Heath had a mandate to take us in, just, although some statements gave the impression greater permission would be sought and a greater degree of acceptance considered both by the electorate and by parliament. All I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of those who say becasue the polls show something they want it must be followed as the will of the people when it is only an indication of that will not an accurate measure of it. We have had the measure in 2016, we have several times as well when that measure could be challenged with groups specifically basing their potential support on cancelling Brexit. If we had followed the polls then Brexit would never have happened, I know that is what you wish but realistically that is not democratic. Ah, I should have been clearer. What I was meant was: do you accept that the Government should hold a referendum if the polls consistently come back with 60% (plus) results. Surely, you do. In the same way that the 2016 referendum was gained. Make it a policy of a party at a general election and if they form a government then we have a referendum. Seems fair. If we go by polls we would have a referendum on the death penalty tomorrow or all aspects of immigration that had over 60% poll support. Would you support a referendum on immigration? Surely you would. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 13:37:34 GMT
Ah, I should have been clearer. What I was meant was: do you accept that the Government should hold a referendum if the polls consistently come back with 60% (plus) results. Surely, you do. In the same way that the 2016 referendum was gained. Make it a policy of a party at a general election and if they form a government then we have a referendum. Seems fair. If we go by polls we would have a referendum on the death penalty tomorrow or all aspects of immigration that had over 60% poll support. Would you support a referendum on immigration? Surely you would. Why would it need to be a policy at a general election? Democracy is democracy. If a fair referendum is held, the requirements of democracy are met. The democratic legitimacy of the vote is not undermined by the fact that no mention of a referendum was made in the run up to the previous general election. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 16:56:17 GMT
In the same way that the 2016 referendum was gained. Make it a policy of a party at a general election and if they form a government then we have a referendum. Seems fair. If we go by polls we would have a referendum on the death penalty tomorrow or all aspects of immigration that had over 60% poll support. Would you support a referendum on immigration? Surely you would. Why would it need to be a policy at a general election? Democracy is democracy. If a fair referendum is held, the requirements of democracy are met. The democratic legitimacy of the vote is not undermined by the fact that no mention of a referendum was made in the run up to the previous general election. Well if you are paying attention to polls why stop at the EU. I am not following. You are not pushing for a referendum on strict immigration control yet that is a much higher poll level of those wanting it, or the death penalty. These have been over 60% for years and not a whimper. That is why policy at a general election is the obvious choice as polls can rock backwards and forwards with the wind. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 16:58:56 GMT
Why would it need to be a policy at a general election? Democracy is democracy. If a fair referendum is held, the requirements of democracy are met. The democratic legitimacy of the vote is not undermined by the fact that no mention of a referendum was made in the run up to the previous general election. Well if you are paying attention to polls why stop at the EU. I am not following. You are not pushing for a referendum on strict immigration control yet that is a much higher poll level of those wanting it, or the death penalty. These have been over 60% for years and not a whimper. That is why policy at a general election is the obvious choice as polls can rock backwards and forwards with the wind. The last poll on the death penalty showed slightly more than 50% in favour of reinstating the death penalty for terrorist offences. If you feel there should be a referendum, then agitate for it. But a single poll won't be sufficient. It will have to be several polls over an extended period. The same applies to the EU. It won't be long before polls are showing 60% plus support for some sort of intensified reengagement. I hope you will take a democratic position when that happens. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 17:06:00 GMT
Well if you are paying attention to polls why stop at the EU. I am not following. You are not pushing for a referendum on strict immigration control yet that is a much higher poll level of those wanting it, or the death penalty. These have been over 60% for years and not a whimper. That is why policy at a general election is the obvious choice as polls can rock backwards and forwards with the wind. The last poll on the death penalty showed slightly more than 50% in favour of reinstating the death penalty for terrorist offences. If you feel there should be a referendum, then agitate for it. But a single poll won't be sufficient. It will have to be several polls over an extended period. The same applies to the EU. It won't be long before polls are showing 60% plus support for some sort of intensified reengagement. I hope you will take a democratic position when that happens. Last week yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/should-the-death-penalty-be-reintroduced-in-all-cases-of-murder |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 17:08:37 GMT
Well if you are paying attention to polls why stop at the EU. I am not following. You are not pushing for a referendum on strict immigration control yet that is a much higher poll level of those wanting it, or the death penalty. These have been over 60% for years and not a whimper. That is why policy at a general election is the obvious choice as polls can rock backwards and forwards with the wind. When was the last poll on the death penalty taken? No idea. But it was pretty high to my recall. If we have a pretty gruesome murder then polls are taken and to reinstate the death penalty comes out pretty high. I seem to recall it was at 80% around the turn of the century. The strange thing is despite there being a strong democratic wish for it no referendum was forthcoming. I do not recall continuous complaining that democracy was being usurped. I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, but it is only things that you support where poll majorities matter. Otherwise the rest can take a hike. |
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