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Post by Einhorn on Nov 19, 2022 10:36:22 GMT
Yeah, it is a bit long - the top and bottom part of the list are in different time zones. Viva Brexit! I had to replace my mouse 3 times and will be sending you a bill to cover my costs. Sincerest apologies, Monte. My people will be in touch with your people. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 19, 2022 10:40:12 GMT
A lot happier than you - after all the amount of whinging you do you are obviously totally distraught.. Yes, I feel they were heavily indoctrinated and have no way of deprogramming themselves. It's like they're stuck in a loop, convinced they're the righteous and becoming more miserable by the day because of it. They make Trump look modest. We also park in handicap spaces and pee in public swimming pools. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 11:58:08 GMT
A lot happier than you - after all the amount of whinging you do you are obviously totally distraught.. Yes, I feel they were heavily indoctrinated and have no way of deprogramming themselves. It's like they're stuck in a loop, convinced they're the righteous and becoming more miserable by the day because of it. They make Trump look modest. They were (and judging by darling still are) totally distraught at losing our money that was paying for the circus.. Hitting them in the pocket was a personal slight to them.. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 19, 2022 12:02:35 GMT
...and look how saved the NHS is as a result of the loss to EU coffers.
Not to mention the stem in the flow of refugees since we took back control of our borders.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 18:13:59 GMT
...and look how saved the NHS is as a result of the loss to EU coffers. Not to mention the stem in the flow of refugees since we took back control of our borders. The NHS was a shit show whether we were in the EU or not - the refugees point is well taken, but as this shower are now relying on immigration as the only path to growth they have absolutely no incentive to stop it. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 19, 2022 18:38:17 GMT
Yes, I feel they were heavily indoctrinated and have no way of deprogramming themselves. It's like they're stuck in a loop, convinced they're the righteous and becoming more miserable by the day because of it. They make Trump look modest. They were (and judging by darling still are) totally distraught at losing our money that was paying for the circus.. Hitting them in the pocket was a personal slight to them.. Meh! I'm financially secure, Doc. One of my posts fetched a cool £1,000,000 at auction at Sotheby's yesterday. The UK's membership fees were used (partially) to create new markets. The UK benefitted from this. Only the economically illiterate don't understand that. You're on the back foot now, Doc. Brexit just hasn't worked and its days in its current form are numbered. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 19, 2022 19:48:29 GMT
Shame that we won't be rejoining then. It won't be long before that percentage moves from 56% up to 70%. That'll be the real test of your 'democratic' principles, Sal. I do not understand this. Polls are used now to show how much people wish to rejoin the EU and how this is a democratic principle yet in 1971-72 when the polls were showing a 2 to 1 majority not to join these polls were ignored and all Remainers say we were taken in democratically. It is an outlook seemingly specific to those who support the EU and rather hypocritical. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 22:16:38 GMT
They were (and judging by darling still are) totally distraught at losing our money that was paying for the circus.. Hitting them in the pocket was a personal slight to them.. Meh! I'm financially secure, Doc. One of my posts fetched a cool £1,000,000 at auction at Sotheby's yesterday. The UK's membership fees were used (partially) to create new markets. The UK benefitted from this. Only the economically illiterate don't understand that. You're on the back foot now, Doc. Brexit just hasn't worked and its days in its current form are numbered. Our trade with the EU fell when compared to our trade with non-EU countries - seems that showering you lot with cash didn't do a lot for us... |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 20, 2022 1:36:13 GMT
Meh! I'm financially secure, Doc. One of my posts fetched a cool £1,000,000 at auction at Sotheby's yesterday. The UK's membership fees were used (partially) to create new markets. The UK benefitted from this. Only the economically illiterate don't understand that. You're on the back foot now, Doc. Brexit just hasn't worked and its days in its current form are numbered. Our trade with the EU fell when compared to our trade with non-EU countries - seems that showering you lot with cash didn't do a lot for us... Yes, it did. The EU planted a money tree on the UK's doorstep using some of that money. They turned Ireland into an economic success, with the result that it is now the UK's second largest export market. The UK has a trade surplus with Ireland to the sum of £21 billion in goods and £13 billion in services. The trade surplus has been growing steadily since the 90s, when the EU's investment in Ireland first started to show results. That's what the UK's membership fees were used for, Doc - to create new markets, to make everyone richer. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 20, 2022 7:49:15 GMT
Our trade with the EU fell when compared to our trade with non-EU countries - seems that showering you lot with cash didn't do a lot for us... Yes, it did. The EU planted a money tree on the UK's doorstep using some of that money. They turned Ireland into an economic success, with the result that it is now the UK's second largest export market. The UK has a trade surplus with Ireland to the sum of £21 billion in goods and £13 billion in services. The trade surplus has been growing steadily since the 90s, when the EU's investment in Ireland first started to show results.That's what the UK's membership fees were used for, Doc - to create new markets, to make everyone richer. People never learn. The EU doesn't have any money to invest. All the money comes from member countries. It's a very clever wheeze - they bribe us with our own money.  But I don't think that Ireland's relative wealth is anything to do with the EU. Quite the reverse in fact. When Ireland joined the Eurozone in 1999 it suddenly replaced their own weak currency with a currency that had much lower interest rates - set by the (German) ECB. So, a bit like Greece, people went on a borrowing splurge and the housing sector boomed. Predictably the bubble eventually burst and left Ireland in big trouble with many bankruptcies and much unemployment - caused by the EU. What got Ireland out of trouble was slashing corporation tax (12.5%) - much AGAINST the EU's wishes who don't like very low corporation tax. So Ireland became a tax haven for many companies who want to cut the tax they pay. The estimate is that 80% of profits shifted from EU countries wind up in tax havens located in the EU, namely Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands - we've all heard of the "Double Dutch" and we've all read how Jean-Claude Juncker made Luxembourg rich (illegally). And it hasn't "made all the EU countries richer". Most have been made poorer. Thats yet another problem (BTW) that I have with Sunak's high rate of Corporation Tax. It usually doesn't translate into higher net receipts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 20, 2022 8:05:06 GMT
Our trade with the EU fell when compared to our trade with non-EU countries - seems that showering you lot with cash didn't do a lot for us... Yes, it did. The EU planted a money tree on the UK's doorstep using some of that money. They turned Ireland into an economic success, with the result that it is now the UK's second largest export market. The UK has a trade surplus with Ireland to the sum of £21 billion in goods and £13 billion in services. The trade surplus has been growing steadily since the 90s, when the EU's investment in Ireland first started to show results. That's what the UK's membership fees were used for, Doc - to create new markets, to make everyone richer. Such an economic success that we had to bail them out during the financial crash.. With regards to trade.. look what giving you all that money bought us...  |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 20, 2022 11:03:02 GMT
Yes, it did. The EU planted a money tree on the UK's doorstep using some of that money. They turned Ireland into an economic success, with the result that it is now the UK's second largest export market. The UK has a trade surplus with Ireland to the sum of £21 billion in goods and £13 billion in services. The trade surplus has been growing steadily since the 90s, when the EU's investment in Ireland first started to show results. That's what the UK's membership fees were used for, Doc - to create new markets, to make everyone richer. Such an economic success that we had to bail them out during the financial crash.. With regards to trade.. look what giving you all that money bought us... We've had this conversation before, Doc. You know very well that the UK didn't bail Ireland out of its very temporary mess 10 years ago. The EU and the UK and other sources lent money to Ireland. The EU was the primary lender. The Conservative Government also lent money. This was very controversial, because it was lent at high interest and the loan agreement had a term saying that the money couldn't be paid back early, thus ensuring that the Government would continue to receive interest payments for the full term of the contract. The Irish economy recovered quickly. Much quicker than anyone expected. The Irish wanted to pay back the loan, but Cameron refused because he wanted to continue to collect the high interest payments. It was very, very controversial, and, I believe, a cause of high resentment in Ireland, since other lenders had allowed early repayment. I very much doubt the Irish feel any gratitude at all for the money the Conservative Government lent them. First, it was only a tiny proportion of the money they received (other institutions like the EU lent them far more). Second, the UK lent them the money at high interest rates and then refused to allow early repayment (unlike the other institutions that lent Ireland money). The UK Government did this so that it could reap the full benefits of what was a commercial enterprise for the UK, not an act of philanthropy. I very much doubt the Irish will look to the UK for 'help' again. And the UK has benefitted enormously from the wealth the EU created in Ireland. When the French and Germans were investing in Ireland, they knew full well that the UK would be the primary financial beneficiary. That didn't stop them, though. And you have the cheek to say that the EU never did anything for the UK!!! |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 20, 2022 11:11:50 GMT
It won't be long before that percentage moves from 56% up to 70%. That'll be the real test of your 'democratic' principles, Sal. I do not understand this. Polls are used now to show how much people wish to rejoin the EU and how this is a democratic principle yet in 1971-72 when the polls were showing a 2 to 1 majority not to join these polls were ignored and all Remainers say we were taken in democratically. It is an outlook seemingly specific to those who support the EU and rather hypocritical. I see how it's going to play out now. The polls are going to continually show high levels of support for fixing the relationship with the EU (maybe through rejoining the SM and CU), but you lot are going to claim that it is perfectly okay to deny democracy because democracy was denied 50 years ago (according to you). Meanwhile, you're to be found on other threads saying that the sons are not responsible for the sins of their fathers. It seems that its okay to deny the pro-EU sons democracy for the (supposed) democratic sins of their fathers, though. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 20, 2022 11:21:56 GMT
Yes, it did. The EU planted a money tree on the UK's doorstep using some of that money. They turned Ireland into an economic success, with the result that it is now the UK's second largest export market. The UK has a trade surplus with Ireland to the sum of £21 billion in goods and £13 billion in services. The trade surplus has been growing steadily since the 90s, when the EU's investment in Ireland first started to show results.That's what the UK's membership fees were used for, Doc - to create new markets, to make everyone richer. People never learn. The EU doesn't have any money to invest. All the money comes from member countries. It's a very clever wheeze - they bribe us with our own money. It was very clever of you to deduce that the money the EU uses comes from membership fees rather than Ursula Van der Leyen's post office savings account, Snuggles. Would that money have ended up boosting the Irish economy if it weren't for the EU? Would the UK now have a £21 billion trade surplus in goods and £13 billion surplus in services with Ireland if it weren't for the EU? No. The EU created that wealth with its members' membership fees. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 20, 2022 11:58:23 GMT
I very much doubt the Irish feel any gratitude at all for the money the Conservative Government lent them. well thats the Irish for you - they were quick enough to take the money but to show any gratitude for the largesse from the UK... |
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But I don't think that Ireland's relative wealth is anything to do with the EU. Quite the reverse in fact. When Ireland joined the Eurozone in 1999 it suddenly replaced their own weak currency with a currency that had much lower interest rates - set by the (German) ECB. So, a bit like Greece, people went on a borrowing splurge and the housing sector boomed. Predictably the bubble eventually burst and left Ireland in big trouble with many bankruptcies and much unemployment - caused by the EU.