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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 16:52:19 GMT
Not at all — but smear campaigns do have more legs and have more credibility for longer, if they can be supported by facts... Well it was stated that Boris was looking up the growlers clouts...Guess who started the rumour? Yep good old ever ready rayner..
EDIT......Source behind ‘sexist and misogynist’ article about Angela Rayner crossing her legs was... Angela Rayner herself, Tories claim
A Conservative Party souce has said Labour’s Angela Rayner was the originator of a story claiming she crossed and uncrossed her legs in Parliament to distract Boris
As you post, Tories claim... |
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 16:54:03 GMT
Drinking a bottle of beer is not a piss-up Well one slice of cake was considered enough for Boris and Rishi.. Partygate became a scandal for No 10 because it involved multiple allegations of law-breaking at Downing Street...
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 11, 2024 16:55:51 GMT
Well one slice of cake was considered enough for Boris and Rishi.. Partygate became a scandal for No 10 because it involved multiple allegations of law-breaking at Downing Street...
Oh so are you saying it was where the party took place that made the difference because the nibble and sip was in No. 10? |
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 16:58:48 GMT
I have no idea how you can compare a nibble of a cake and a sip of wine amounts to a party breaking lockdown rules. While we have confirmed 30 people ordering £200 worth of curries, crates of beer at 10 o'clock on a Friday night, and yet that does not amount to a party? Who confirmed there were 30 people at the Labour work session? Seventeen is the official figure. Even so, £11.77 a head doesn't appear to be much for a party...
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 11, 2024 16:59:36 GMT
Most of these posts are full of nothing but lies, assumptions and exaggerations, probably because you all read The Daily Mail.
Fairsociety ... wrote "High ranking police were also at Starmer beergate pissup, even more reason there had to be a coverup"
There were no high ranking police present at the meeting, indeed there were no police at the meeting at all, Joy Allen IS NOT a police officer, she is the Police & Crime Commissioner for County Durham, a member of the Labour Party and a former Labour councillor.
Police & Crime Commissioners cannot influence, participate or take part in any way, in crime investigations.
It is reasonable to assume that a senior elected public figure who represents the Labour Party, should attend a Labour Party meeting.
The idea that Joy Allen somehow colluded with the Chief Constable or the investigating detectives is merely a conspiracy, because there is not a shred of evidence to support such an outrageous claim, its basically wishfull thinking on behalf of those oppossed to the findings of TWO investigations.
As for (quote) "30 people in attendance", well that might be what The Daily Mail stated, but the real figure was half that number.
THe bottom line here is this : people were allowed to gather for work purposes, and the rules specifically state this ... (quote) there was an exemption if "the gathering is reasonably necessary for the purposes of campaigning in an election".
Did the rules allow for people gathered for working purposes, including campaigning in an election, to have meal / refreshments ? - YES, the answer is Yes.
Was it proved beyond any doubt that the meeting was in fact a meeting involving Labour Party affairs - YES
Go around in circles again if you wish, but as with other times this has been regurgitated, I will run rings around you .. Again.
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 17:01:36 GMT
Partygate became a scandal for No 10 because it involved multiple allegations of law-breaking at Downing Street...
Oh so are you saying it was where the party took place that made the difference because the nibble and sip was in No. 10? No. There was so much nibbling and sipping at multiple events at No.10 that even the excuse it was part of the Parliamentary Estate didn't hold water... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 11, 2024 17:04:00 GMT
Oh so are you saying it was where the party took place that made the difference because the nibble and sip was in No. 10? No. There was so much nibbling and sipping at multiple events at No.10 that even the excuse it was part of the Parliamentary Estate didn't hold water... So what you are basically saying that if the Boris nibbling and sipping went on at the same venue place as the Starmer curry and beer it would have just been a works meeting, it was the building that made the nibbling and sipping a party?.... we get yeah now. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 11, 2024 17:06:39 GMT
Most of these posts are full of nothing but lies, assumptions and exaggerations, probably because you all read The Daily Mail... That statement is a lie. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 17:11:28 GMT
Well it was stated that Boris was looking up the growlers clouts...Guess who started the rumour? Yep good old ever ready rayner..
EDIT......Source behind ‘sexist and misogynist’ article about Angela Rayner crossing her legs was... Angela Rayner herself, Tories claim
A Conservative Party souce has said Labour’s Angela Rayner was the originator of a story claiming she crossed and uncrossed her legs in Parliament to distract Boris
As you post, Tories claim... Labour have even admitted it Pat...FFS |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 11, 2024 17:13:49 GMT
Most of these posts are full of nothing but lies, assumptions and exaggerations, probably because you all read The Daily Mail... That statement is a lie. Posters stated that "senior police were present" - a lie Posters stated that "crates of beer were ordered for 30 people" - a lie |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 11, 2024 17:14:10 GMT
As you post, Tories claim... Labour have even admitted it Pat...FFS All these facts are confusing him. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 11, 2024 17:16:54 GMT
Posters stated that "senior police were present" - a lie Posters stated that "crates of beer were ordered for 30 people" - a lie There was no inquiry so we will never know who was there, but reliable sources said 'senior police officers' were present, even in the guise of police security.
Why do you think it was nicknamed 'BEERgate'? FFS ..... the clue is in the word BEER.
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 17:18:25 GMT
No. There was so much nibbling and sipping at multiple events at No.10 that even the excuse it was part of the Parliamentary Estate didn't hold water... So what you are basically saying that if the Boris nibbling and sipping went on at the same venue place as the Starmer curry and beer it would have just been a works meeting, it was the building that made the nibbling and sipping a party?.... we get yeah now. The locations are only important in that they are/were both places of work. It's the purposes of the events and how and why they took place that decided whether they broke the law or not.
A wine and cheese gathering in the No.10 garden on 15 May 2020, was justified when a photograph of it was published on the grounds that the staff participating were discussing work.
But other events in No.10 were judged to have been “the most serious and flagrant” breach of the rules.
Motto: If you make the rules, it's wise not to break the rules...
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 17:20:16 GMT
As you post, Tories claim... Labour have even admitted it Pat...FFS Where and when...? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 11, 2024 17:25:15 GMT
What laws were in place during Beergate?
At the time, “step two” Health Protection Regulations were in force, which made gatherings of more than two people indoors illegal unless they were subject to one of numerous exemptions.
Those included being “reasonably necessary for work purposes”.
Durham Constabulary found the exemption applied to the Labour gathering at Durham’s Miners’ Hall on 30 April 2021.
It took place during campaigning for the Hartlepool by-election and upcoming local elections.
When questioned about why he was filmed drinking a beer with a takeaway curry, Sir Keir said: “I simply had something to eat whilst working late in the evening, as any politician would do days before an election.”
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