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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 12:48:47 GMT
I'm not defending what Lindsay Hoyle did, but he very clearly broke convention, not rules. isnt that what the uk parliament largely operates under though ? Convention , rather than rule? He broke precedent, and acted against the advice of his senior advisor. His position is now largely in my opinion untenable , and starmer looks corrupt as fuck. To save his blushes on a symbolic vote , where any normal labour leader striding along on the side of what is right , without breaking sweat ,starmer come out of this looking terrible , throwing parliament and the speaker under a bus to save his blushes. Arguably , he has created an even bigger story , whereas if say 100 labour mps had rebelled against the party leadership line , it would have been headline news for a day then gone. This could drag on a while , the longer Hoyle clings on , the longer this will stay in the news I think. Much to starmers dismay. [b We see how polling goes 8f labour dramatically slips and see what happens on the GE |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 22, 2024 12:49:14 GMT
fully agree. Especially when we are now hearing 100 labour mps , and two shadow cabinet members , were going to rebel against starmer . George galloway , for what his comments are worth , has said about starmer...
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Not content with wrecking the Labour Party for Israel Keir Starmer has now wrecked the House of Commons and with it the reputation and career of The SpeakerGALLOWAY a nut job i To be fair Charlie, that's a bit rich.  |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 22, 2024 12:51:03 GMT
Well Andy convention or rule is a play on words fact is he and Starmer behaved badly and it doesn’t look good. Another fact is Nutanyahu doesn’t give a toss about the HoC but we should isn’t there enough going on with the post office affair where let’s face it no party comes out of this well,some individuals do. Things like this can only shake public confidence more which is at an all time low for so many of our institutions. I don't see it as a play on words, I see them as different things. Like I said I'm not defending him here, but an offence of breaking convention is different to an offence of breaking rules. It should also be noted that this convention has been broken twice previously, so my question would be what happened on these occasions? I beg to differ not long ago on here (not saying it was you) posters were saying that we would be or had been breaking the rules on the UN 1951 convention on refugees  |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 12:51:46 GMT
Well if Hoyle gets the boot, I hope this sends a message LOUD and clear, Starmer/Labour are not worth putting your job on the line. If I don't believe he will All this rubbish he showed Bias Do you all know how the speaker is selected. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 22, 2024 12:52:17 GMT
I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. Bercow pulled the stunt of allowing the Brexit bill to be amended at the eleventh hour, again bending the rules for the Remoaners, why are these lefty loons allowed to get away with it. Bercow was a Tory, even becoming a shadow minister under IDS. He did join the Labour Party in 2021, but was suspended in 2022. I think you're conflating remainer and left winger again, which is a bit lazy of you. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 12:52:33 GMT
[quote author=" Totheleft" source="/post/208411/thread" timestamp="1708605795"]GALLOWAY a nut job i To be fair Charlie, that's a bit rich. [/quote] Why don't you think he his |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 22, 2024 12:54:36 GMT
I don't see it as a play on words, I see them as different things. Like I said I'm not defending him here, but an offence of breaking convention is different to an offence of breaking rules. It should also be noted that this convention has been broken twice previously, so my question would be what happened on these occasions? I beg to differ not long ago on here (not saying it was you) posters were saying that we would be or had been breaking the rules on the UN 1951 convention on refugees Isn't that a convention as in signed agreement, rather than a convention as in the way we normally do things? |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 22, 2024 12:59:06 GMT
I beg to differ not long ago on here (not saying it was you) posters were saying that we would be or had been breaking the rules on the UN 1951 convention on refugees Isn't that a convention as in signed agreement, rather than a convention as in the way we normally do things? Which is why I said it’s all a play on words,anyway it matters little the real problem is that Westminster and many of its inhabitants are showing themselves for what they really are. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2024 13:05:17 GMT
Hoyle apologises, Starmer denies.
SNP is having a good day .
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 22, 2024 13:08:04 GMT
Bercow pulled the stunt of allowing the Brexit bill to be amended at the eleventh hour, again bending the rules for the Remoaners, why are these lefty loons allowed to get away with it. Bercow was a Tory, even becoming a shadow minister under IDS. He did join the Labour Party in 2021, but was suspended in 2022. I think you're conflating remainer and left winger again, which is a bit lazy of you. Sunak is a Tory, but doesn't stop him from having lefty tendencies, Bercow was a closet lefty and a BIG Remoaner, just like Sunak. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 22, 2024 13:14:46 GMT
The Speaker has made a mistake in appearing to allow outside influences to affect Parliamentary conventions and procedures, and it's looking like he'll be advised to go.
Just as concerning — though less likely to attract retribution — is the behaviour of sitting MPs both individually and as baying mobs at a time when the loss of tens of thousands of lives should have been the focus of their attention...
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2024 13:22:25 GMT
Starmer ‘ urged’ him to make the mistake . The buck should not remain with Hoyle.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 22, 2024 13:34:03 GMT
The whole of Parliament shpuld resign at least because no one outside the UK gives a toss about what it says and who said it first.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 22, 2024 13:38:21 GMT
The whole of Parliament shpuld resign at least because no one outside the UK gives a toss about what it says and who said it first. LOL, another gem from the forums EU rep. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 22, 2024 13:49:18 GMT
Looks like he's a goner anyway as the whole SNP have called for his resignation. You can't be speaker if a whole party has lost confidence in you.
But he should go anyway. He gave two "reasons" to include the LAbour motion: 1) Because it would endanger Labour MPs (from their muslim constitiencies) because they'd get attacked and 2) Because (allegedly) Starmer (and Sue Gray) applied pressure on him threatening to not vote for him to be re-elected as speaker. Reason 1 is surrendering our Parliament to muslim terrorist rule. He should be sacked for this alone. Cowardice.
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