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Post by jonksy on Feb 22, 2024 11:25:49 GMT
57 at the moment, and if what I'm listening to is accurate, pressure is mounting on Hoyle to resign. I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 22, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
I don't disagree, I was just correcting FS's mistake. Well Andy convention or rule is a play on words fact is he and Starmer behaved badly and it doesn’t look good. Another fact is Nutanyahu doesn’t give a toss about the HoC but we should isn’t there enough going on with the post office affair where let’s face it no party comes out of this well,some individuals do. Things like this can only shake public confidence more which is at an all time low for so many of our institutions. I don't see it as a play on words, I see them as different things. Like I said I'm not defending him here, but an offence of breaking convention is different to an offence of breaking rules. It should also be noted that this convention has been broken twice previously, so my question would be what happened on these occasions? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 22, 2024 11:28:00 GMT
57 at the moment, and if what I'm listening to is accurate, pressure is mounting on Hoyle to resign. I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. Bercow pulled the stunt of allowing the Brexit bill to be amended at the eleventh hour, again bending the rules for the Remoaners, why are these lefty loons allowed to get away with it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 22, 2024 11:33:16 GMT
I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. Bercow pulled the stunt of allowing the Brexit bill to be amended at the eleventh hour, again bending the rules for the Remoaners, why are these lefty loons allowed to get away with it. To be honest I thought more MP's would have joined the sack hoyle brigade. I am not sure what the final numbers will climb too...We have far to many MP's who have sleletons in their cupboards and don't want those to see the light of day.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 22, 2024 11:33:30 GMT
57 at the moment, and if what I'm listening to is accurate, pressure is mounting on Hoyle to resign. I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. I don't necessarily dislike Hoyle, he's certainly an improvement on Bercow, but why on earth did he ignore advice and allow himself to be pressured by Starmer. He's a bloody fool. And lets not forget, although it may cost Hoyle his job it's not just his fault. Starmer is the architect of this entire debacle, he has serious questions to answer. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 22, 2024 11:36:02 GMT
I wouldn't mind betting that someone will start a petiton on it Red where the general public can show their thoughts on the matter.. I don't necessarily dislike Hoyle, he's certainly an improvement on Bercow, but why on earth did he ignore advice and allow himself to be pressured by Starmer. He's a bloody fool. And lets not forget, although it may cost Hoyle his job it's not just his fault. Starmer is the architect of this entire debacle, he has serious questions to answer. The usual establishment will put the mockers on that Red...Fuck knows how we have allowed it to get this bad.. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 22, 2024 11:38:47 GMT
Bercow pulled the stunt of allowing the Brexit bill to be amended at the eleventh hour, again bending the rules for the Remoaners, why are these lefty loons allowed to get away with it. To be honest I thought more MP's would have joined the sack hoyle brigade. I am not sure what the final numbers will climb too...We have far to many MP's who have sleletons in their cupboards and don't want those to see the light of day.. It should go without saying that ALL Tory MPs should demand his resignation, we know the shithouse lefty Labour want him there so he can pull strings for them, just like now.
How many more are guilty of pulling strings for Labour, Starmer's time as DPP has brought him some real good connections, getting him off with Beergate, then Sue Gray with her kangaroo court over Boris Johnson, now Hoyle bending the rules for them, WTF hold does this lefty Starmer have over people.
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Post by Hutchyns on Feb 22, 2024 11:41:30 GMT
thomas
That's a fair summing up of the position at present.
It's evident that the position of Speaker offers considerable scope as far as determining events in the House of Commons.
And that's hardly ever a problem as long as MPs grasp the overriding importance of voting a person of integrity to the position.
The Speaker isn't hemmed in by a set of cast iron rules, he's trusted to follow convention. But we all witnessed what can happen if a devious,underhand, and conniving little Shyster weasels his way into the Speaker's seat, and that's why so many gave a huge sigh of relief
to see Lindsey Hoyle take the place of John Bercow.
Speakers had mostly gone by unnoticed, like the best referees, and from what I remember 'Gorbals Mick' only had to be got rid of
because of his laughable incompetence. Whereas Bercow was competent as hell at twisting and manipulating procedures in order to favour
what he wished to favour, and to obstruct what he wished to nobble ...... the bloke plumbed new depths which I hope no other
Speaker in my lifetime will ever sink to.
I don't doubt Hoyle has reflected on the damage he's done to his reputation and is suitably regretful. Credit to him also for being relatively quick to apologise, instead of taking an 'I can do what I like, right or wrong' defence, as some brazen Starmerite's are doing in a futile attempt to defend the undefendable.
The clock can't be turned back, Hoyle has shown what he's capable of doing, and once we know that any backbone we thought he had
is actually made of jelly, we can't 'un-know' that fact, and consequently it is impossible for him to regain MP's trust. Hoyle has sullied his reputation,and it's not something he can repair. He should now have the good grace to stand down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 11:59:43 GMT
I voted I don't know because I would prefer a third way in view of the Twitter post by Pacifico, he should be sacked by whatever process they need to do.
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Post by piglet on Feb 22, 2024 12:22:49 GMT
I havent read all the pages, this may have been mentioned, but outside pressures to MPS like murder, or demonstrations, should not effect what goes on inside. Hoyle is a disgrace.
This is what happens when you allow unfettered immigration.
The values of immigrants, like political murder, blackmail, bribery, violence, demonstrations, abuse, etc becomes the fabric of everyday life.
Oh, and corruption in the Hoyle way.
Not British is it.
God help us all, Britain is becoming Lebanon, Libya, governance will be with a gun.
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Post by thomas on Feb 22, 2024 12:28:26 GMT
isnt that what the uk parliament largely operates under though ? Convention , rather than rule? He broke precedent, and acted against the advice of his senior advisor. His position is now largely in my opinion untenable , and starmer looks corrupt as fuck. To save his blushes on a symbolic vote , where any normal labour leader striding along on the side of what is right , without breaking sweat ,starmer come out of this looking terrible , throwing parliament and the speaker under a bus to save his blushes. Arguably , he has created an even bigger story , whereas if say 100 labour mps had rebelled against the party leadership line , it would have been headline news for a day then gone. This could drag on a while , the longer Hoyle clings on , the longer this will stay in the news I think. Much to starmers dismay. I don't disagree with most of that. There's a lot of unhappy MP's, for sure. Enough to oust him, or force him to resign? Unsure. Will it be forgotten about by the public? Almost certainly. They don't vote for the speaker anyway, as already pointed out. Political pantomime, definitely, great for groups like ours to discuss. Don't think Jenny from the block will remember come next week. possibly Andrew , but it depends how long it stays in the media. If Hoyle clings on , under a cloud , this could theoretically remain news over the coming weeks , reminding Jenny from the block of starmers blackmail. I myself am unsure wether he will step down or be forced out , but as I said , the pantomime will play out for a while yet im thinking. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2024 12:33:31 GMT
This certainly will not be forgotten if the Labour loonies get into government.
The lefties and the ex remainers have set a precedent. They will reap what they have sown .
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 22, 2024 12:34:52 GMT
There's talk of Sir Chris Bryant replacing Sir Lindsay Hoyle as speaker, but this in itself is controversial because Hoyle was a Labour MP and Bryant is a Labour MP and convention is that the speaker alternates between Labour and Tory.
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 22, 2024 12:38:14 GMT
There's talk of Sir Chris Bryant replacing Sir Lindsay Hoyle as speaker, but this in itself is controversial because Hoyle was a Labour MP and Bryant is a Labour MP and convention is that the speaker alternates between Labour and Tory. Who ever is the serving government of the day the speaker should be from the opposition, to avoid conflicts of interest like this, so when and if Labour become the serving government the speaker should be a Tory, but we know the lefties will moan even though we've had a lefty speaker for about 13 years now, because Labour have made sure of that. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 12:43:15 GMT
Indeed but it was the SNP's day of opposition . Good form would have been to put forward the SNP amendment ,they could then have got on with the voting and moved on to more pressing issues . What was going on within the labour party was their problem . fully agree. Especially when we are now hearing 100 labour mps , and two shadow cabinet members , were going to rebel against starmer . George galloway , for what his comments are worth , has said about starmer...
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