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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 21, 2024 18:09:00 GMT
I'm with Dappy on this one. This could have been worked by the four main parties as a worded statement that they could have all agreed on. The SNP have instead gone for their own version to try to play political games by dividing Labour. None of this is good for parliament, Israel or Palestine. Pox on all their houses. Andrew , the Labour Party are allocated 17 days per parliamentary session for opposition day motions while the snp are given a mere three. To accuse the snp ( or others for that matter) for playing political games on this is nonsense. Labour had plenty opportunity to take the. lead on this , and should have , had they a competent leader , but instead, he has gotten them into an avoidable mess and blackmailed the speaker to save face. Starmer could have looked like a leader with integrity , acting on evidence and supporting international law , but because he is too chickenshit scared of being labelled anti semite ( which he and his fellow blairite travellers helped throw at Corbyn lets remind ourselves) shows the lack of moral fibre and backbone in the man. Starmer isnt a prime minister in waiting , just as sunak isnt a prime minister. Jeez , and I thought Theresa may and Corbyn were bad. That's exactly Dappy's point though. It became about party politics. It never should have done. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 21, 2024 18:10:52 GMT
Why should the parties all play ball to get Starmer off the Hook? It should never have been a party issue in the first place. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 21, 2024 18:13:48 GMT
Andrew , the Labour Party are allocated 17 days per parliamentary session for opposition day motions while the snp are given a mere three. To accuse the snp ( or others for that matter) for playing political games on this is nonsense. Labour had plenty opportunity to take the. lead on this , and should have , had they a competent leader , but instead, he has gotten them into an avoidable mess and blackmailed the speaker to save face. Starmer could have looked like a leader with integrity , acting on evidence and supporting international law , but because he is too chickenshit scared of being labelled anti semite ( which he and his fellow blairite travellers helped throw at Corbyn lets remind ourselves) shows the lack of moral fibre and backbone in the man. Starmer isnt a prime minister in waiting , just as sunak isnt a prime minister. Jeez , and I thought Theresa may and Corbyn were bad. That's exactly Dappy's point though. It became about party politics. It never should have done. It only becomes party politics if Labour want it to be, because what they say goes, they don't want to play ball unless it's for their benefit, they've blocked illegal migrant bill all the step of the way, they've hurled Johnson before Tribunals when the man was threw in the deep end trying to deal with a unprecedented global pandemic, and all Labour could do was bitch from the sidelines, but when it suits Labour thinks the Tories should help them out .... NO CHANCE. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:18:37 GMT
Andrew , the Labour Party are allocated 17 days per parliamentary session for opposition day motions while the snp are given a mere three. To accuse the snp ( or others for that matter) for playing political games on this is nonsense. Labour had plenty opportunity to take the. lead on this , and should have , had they a competent leader , but instead, he has gotten them into an avoidable mess and blackmailed the speaker to save face. Starmer could have looked like a leader with integrity , acting on evidence and supporting international law , but because he is too chickenshit scared of being labelled anti semite ( which he and his fellow blairite travellers helped throw at Corbyn lets remind ourselves) shows the lack of moral fibre and backbone in the man. Starmer isnt a prime minister in waiting , just as sunak isnt a prime minister. Jeez , and I thought Theresa may and Corbyn were bad. That's exactly Dappy's point though. It became about party politics. It never should have done. It. ` became`? Starmer objected to the mention of collective punishment , and a few months back justified cutting off water and aid to a besieged civilian population contrary to international conventions and decency . Yeah , Starmer is just a regular decent guy who doesn't do party politics , and has merely been caught out by the foul snp and tories playing games, so had no option but to bribe the speaker. Honestly sometimes I do wonder. Dappy is just another new labour turd polisher? ...but you? I expected better Andrew. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 21, 2024 18:19:58 GMT
t only becomes party politics if Labour want it to be No, this particular motion was political because the SNP wanted it to be. The rest of your post is just misunderstanding and myth. Labour of course don't have the ability to block anything. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 18:22:23 GMT
It has just been reported by Christopher Hope on GB News that earlier today before business in the commons chamber commenced, the speaker had a private meeting with Starmer and the Labour chief whip. No one else was present. The speaker then went into the commons and announced he would allow Labour's amendment. This breaks all previous convention. It has been likened to the referee changing the rules at half time. In other words, it stinks. And Hoyle knows it.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:24:11 GMT
Why should the parties all play ball to get Starmer off the Hook? It should never have been a party issue in the first place. it wouldn't have been for Corbyn. Like him or loathe him , he said his piece and stood under his flag. It's going to become one for this current labour though , because of starmers divisive leadership , and running shit scared of being called anti semite while lining his pockets with Israeli money allegedly from pro Israeli donors. Doing all this in a party that has been largely pro palestinian since I was a whipper snapper forty years ago is the mark of a stupid politician. Even Blair , as well as Corbyn , would have successfully skipped his way around this issue by not lining up his ducks for the snp and tories to shoot at. As I said , the guy is not a politician of any credible level , and is also an extremely weak leader. complaining this is a moral issue above party politics won't wash. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 21, 2024 18:27:51 GMT
t only becomes party politics if Labour want it to be No, this particular motion was political because the SNP wanted it to be. The rest of your post is just misunderstanding and myth. Labour of course don't have the ability to block anything. Labour’s attempt to block illegal migration bill defeated in Commons – as it happened
Labour’s amendment seeking to block the Illegal Migration Bill was defeated by 249 votes to 312, a majority of 63. It will now pass to its second reading. The vote followed a debate in the House of Commons which lasted just over four hours. Earlier in the debate, home secretary Suella Braverman said: “Despite our reasonable concerns that we have raised on several occasions, like [Tory former home secretary Priti Patel] before me, I am subject to the most grotesque slurs for saying such simple truths about the impact of unlimited and illegal migration.”
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 21, 2024 18:30:18 GMT
It. ` became`? Starmer objected to the mention of collective punishment , and a few months back justified cutting off water and aid to a besieged civilian population contrary to international conventions and decency. Agree with you there. IMO Starmer got that wrong and instead of moving on it doubled down. Yeah , Starmer is just a regular decent guy who doesn't do party politics , and has merely been caught out by the foul snp and tories playing games, so had no option but to bribe the speaker. I don't disagree with that either. It should not have been a party issue, I think that's my point. It's not clear from your reply whether you think it should have been or not. Honestly sometimes I do wonder. Dappy is just another new labour turd polisher? ...but you? I expected better Andrew. I've no idea whether to take that as a compliment or not! 😂 |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 21, 2024 18:31:49 GMT
No, this particular motion was political because the SNP wanted it to be. The rest of your post is just misunderstanding and myth. Labour of course don't have the ability to block anything. Labour’s attempt to block illegal migration bill defeated in Commons – as it happened
Labour’s amendment seeking to block the Illegal Migration Bill was defeated by 249 votes to 312, a majority of 63. It will now pass to its second reading. The vote followed a debate in the House of Commons which lasted just over four hours. Earlier in the debate, home secretary Suella Braverman said: “Despite our reasonable concerns that we have raised on several occasions, like [Tory former home secretary Priti Patel] before me, I am subject to the most grotesque slurs for saying such simple truths about the impact of unlimited and illegal migration.”
Thanks for the confirmation that Labour couldn't block it. 🙄 Basic math. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 21, 2024 18:34:01 GMT
Labour’s attempt to block illegal migration bill defeated in Commons – as it happened
Labour’s amendment seeking to block the Illegal Migration Bill was defeated by 249 votes to 312, a majority of 63. It will now pass to its second reading. The vote followed a debate in the House of Commons which lasted just over four hours. Earlier in the debate, home secretary Suella Braverman said: “Despite our reasonable concerns that we have raised on several occasions, like [Tory former home secretary Priti Patel] before me, I am subject to the most grotesque slurs for saying such simple truths about the impact of unlimited and illegal migration.”
Thanks for the confirmation that Labour couldn't block it. 🙄 Basic math. Of course they could if the vote went THEIR way, luckily enough it didn't. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:40:26 GMT
It. ` became`? Starmer objected to the mention of collective punishment , and a few months back justified cutting off water and aid to a besieged civilian population contrary to international conventions and decency. Agree with you there. IMO Starmer got that wrong and instead of moving on it doubled down. Yeah , Starmer is just a regular decent guy who doesn't do party politics , and has merely been caught out by the foul snp and tories playing games, so had no option but to bribe the speaker. I don't disagree with that either. It should not have been a party issue, I think that's my point. It's not clear from your reply whether you think it should have been or not. Honestly sometimes I do wonder. Dappy is just another new labour turd polisher? ...but you? I expected better Andrew. I've no idea whether to take that as a compliment or not! 😂 It was genuinely meant as a compliment. sure but the question is why did he say it when he had no need to? Was it party politics , or something sinister? you can't moan about recent `party politics` when it appears that has been going on all along . it was always going to be party political. Had the boots been on the other foot , with labour , then they would have similarly shafted the tories or snp. With respect , sometimes in the left , idealism meets pragmatism and blows up in their faces. Starmer isnt a good guy. He has been known now since prior to the 2019 GE as a backstabber , and an anti democrat. Stabbing Corbyn in the back , trying to overturn Brexit , that sort of thing. You can't seriously try and paint him as some innocent naive guy skewered by the dastardly machinations of other political parties all of a sudden. Live by the sword and all that. It was only the other week he was trying to take advantage of Brianna gheys murder , and received similar criticism for playing politics on something that should have been above politics , now the boot is on the other foot all of a sudden its wrong to do it with starmer? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:52:43 GMT
lefty own jones.......
Owen Jones
@owenjones84
The SNP used their Opposition Day to submit a motion calling for an immediate ceasefire and opposing the collective punishment of Gaza.
This reflected their longstanding position, unlike Labour, whose leader backed war crimes and which has repeatedly either justified or failed to oppose Israel's mass slaughter.
Labour then gutted the motion, blackmailed the Speaker into breaking Parliamentary protocol and prevented the SNP's motion from being heard at all.
In sum, the Labour leadership deserve nothing but total contempt.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 19:07:05 GMT
Is anyone watching proceedings in the House? [Freeview 232] Hoyle is making a cringing speech...
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2024 19:07:53 GMT
This is all rather OTT - there is no prospect of either side in the conflict in the Middle East taking the slightest bit of notice what Parliament says (or doesn't say).
It is all performance for certain special interest groups and of no importance to the issues in the UK.
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