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Post by oracle75 on Feb 22, 2024 13:13:40 GMT
He would say that, wouldnt he? He never included the BoE when he touted the benefits of Brexit. The closest he got was a promise of cheaper clothes and shoes. Before he moved his business to Ireland to stay in the EU. While telling you Brexit was the magic word to solve all your problems. Now problems are the fault of something else already there pre-Brexit in reality. Brexit has cost the UK appproximately 5%of its GDP. 5% would keep the UK comfortably out of recession. You need stop repeating this lie. It does little for whatever credibility you have as a poster on here. Oh grow up and stop making meaningless babbling noises. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 22, 2024 13:24:53 GMT
FFS do stop telling me about page one of "economics 101". And do stop refuting what you just said. If a country grows by 10% IT WONT BE IN RECESSION UNTIL ITS GDP SHRINKS FROM WHATEVER LEVEL IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS QUARTER OVER 2 CONSECUTIVE QUARTERS. Recession is relative only to the previous quarter, not over a number of years. I didnt say the UK was unusual. I DID correct the notion that the Eurozone was in recession. And that the UK was somehow immune to recessions. If you say you now know what a recession is why did you claim that: 'Brexit has cost the UK appproximately 5%of its GDP. 5% would keep the UK comfortably out of recession.'Which is blatantly false as you have now admitted. Bwcause i forgot you needed exactly every word spelled out. GDP is a total amount of business a country produces per year. If it goes down over 2 consecutive quarters, it is a technical recession. Wuth an overall economy worth 5% more, not even Liz Truss could lose an increase of GDP over 2 Q's. There would be too much economic activity. What there would be is growth. 5% worth of growth. That which brexiteers voted against. And what she was willing to bankrupt the country even further for. I thought you knew what a recession is! |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2024 13:43:06 GMT
Was all this calculated by the dept of guesswork or mystic Meg?
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 22, 2024 13:49:59 GMT
you are the one who brought the issue of a political campaign started in 2015 in desperation by a man keen to divert attention from his party’s infighting into a discussion of economic events occurring tive to ten years earlier There were multiple reports, polls and media articles covering the menial increase in wages after Gordon Brown chucked god knows how much down the black hole of his post sub prime meltdown, all of which also cover tax, business rate, council tax and utility bill rides biting ever deeper into the menial to nonexistent salary increases offered yo the average man over this period. It was tou qho tried to make wgatwver your com0laints are, the fault of the EEC. Please stop shifting goalposts. Who is shifting goalposts ?
YOU opened this thread with the words "Where is Brexit when you need it" which chlearly implies it is you who feels the need to blame brexit for where we are. MY first contribution to this thread on page two was in answer to the question "so who is now getting mre coming in thatn they were, to whoch I replied that I was, but only because the amount i was bringing in BEFORE Brown tanked the economy by pouring christ knows how many billions down black holes generated by banks was shredded by the aftermath of his proflogate waste, and stayed tanked for over a decade along with everyone else's income"
You've tried again and again to drag the 2016 referendum and labour's attempt to derail it into an ecomomic meltdown that started eight years before cameron offered us the referendum. All I've done is pointed out your failings..................
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 22, 2024 14:00:27 GMT
It was tou qho tried to make wgatwver your com0laints are, the fault of the EEC. Please stop shifting goalposts. Who is shifting goalposts ?
YOU opened this thread with the words "Where is Brexit when you need it" which chlearly implies it is you who feels the need to blame brexit for where we are. MY first contribution to this thread on page two was in answer to the question "so who is now getting mre coming in thatn they were, to whoch I replied that I was, but only because the amount i was bringing in BEFORE Brown tanked the economy by pouring christ knows how many billions down black holes generated by banks was shredded by the aftermath of his proflogate waste, and stayed tanked for over a decade along with everyone else's income"
You've tried again and again to drag the 2016 referendum and labour's attempt to derail it into an ecomomic meltdown that started eight years before cameron offered us the referendum. All I've done is pointed out your failings..................
For gods' sake. You blamed austerity on the EEC! It was Cameron who intriduced austerity and tue EEC haf been tge EU for long time. I repeat. Austerity or budgets or spending priorities or decisions HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER THE EEC OR THE EU. No country asks the EU how to tax and spend, what it does with its revenue or where to invest it. Your rise in prices/ inflation, lack of local counties' investment and the cost of services depends far more on global issues including the weather and wars. Not the E bloody EC. And do stop sounding like a quarrel with your brother. You wrote this: "Brexit was not thing until 2015 Prices were ratcheted up, up, up every year. There was not a year that council tax, council car parking, business rates, electricity, gas, you fucking name it did not rise, rise, rise since i started being taxed routinely on my income which would have been 1977 Brexit responsible for that ? Fuck off. Fucking EEC membership caused lots of it" and it is a pile of nonsense. EEC membership or not would have made no difference. If you wish to disxuss this further olease cite the EEC legislation which caused your council tax and car parking costs to go up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 22, 2024 17:52:09 GMT
If you say you now know what a recession is why did you claim that: 'Brexit has cost the UK appproximately 5%of its GDP. 5% would keep the UK comfortably out of recession.'Which is blatantly false as you have now admitted. Bwcause i forgot you needed exactly every word spelled out. GDP is a total amount of business a country produces per year. If it goes down over 2 consecutive quarters, it is a technical recession. Wuth an overall economy worth 5% more, not even Liz Truss could lose an increase of GDP over 2 Q's. There would be too much economic activity.
What there would be is growth. 5% worth of growth. That which brexiteers voted against. And what she was willing to bankrupt the country even further for. I thought you knew what a recession is! What absolute nonsense.  Recessions happen irrespective of the level of GDP.. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 22, 2024 20:08:59 GMT
You need stop repeating this lie. It does little for whatever credibility you have as a poster on here. Oh grow up and stop making meaningless babbling noises. I will when you stop lying. Or at the very least show where you get these dubious figures from? The remain-led media love gophers like you who scurry around spreading their shit. And you seem happy doing it. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 23, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
Bwcause i forgot you needed exactly every word spelled out. GDP is a total amount of business a country produces per year. If it goes down over 2 consecutive quarters, it is a technical recession. Wuth an overall economy worth 5% more, not even Liz Truss could lose an increase of GDP over 2 Q's. There would be too much economic activity.
What there would be is growth. 5% worth of growth. That which brexiteers voted against. And what she was willing to bankrupt the country even further for. I thought you knew what a recession is! What absolute nonsense. Recessions happen irrespective of the level of GDP.. Which is what i said. Recessions depend on the previous gdp, not gdp as a whole. However if you generate a 5% gdp rise, it is almost impossible to have a recession unless you lose a lot of trade. Like the great depression or covid. For example, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 23, 2024 8:12:35 GMT
Oh grow up and stop making meaningless babbling noises. I will when you stop lying. Or at the very least show where you get these dubious figures from? The remain-led media love gophers like you who scurry around spreading their shit. And you seem happy doing it. When i make a statement i add a link supporting it. You, on the other hand, run around this forum make unsubstantiated claims, mostly about your opinion of others based on their political position. I dont think i have ever seen a decent analysis of an issue supported by a link from you. The level of your discussion is equal to primary school playground behaviour. As for Brexit, it would give you more credit if you could list the benefits Brexit has brought to the issues the UK has had to face since 2016 or even 2020. Can you tell us any promise made towards the benefit of the UK during the referendum campaign which has been fulfilled and has made life in the UK better? If not, it would credit you to keep your head below the parapet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2024 8:18:52 GMT
There was no chance of any extra 5% rise - as it was our GDP growth since 2016 was the same as France and ahead of Spain, Germany and Italy.
Another 5% would have given us over 50% more growth than France - and somehow I dont recall the UK economy in 2016 being rampant and ahead of every country in Europe.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 23, 2024 8:21:05 GMT
There was no chance of any extra 5% rise - as it was our GDP growth since 2016 was the same as France and ahead of Spain, Germany and Italy. Another 5% would have given us over 50% more growth than France - and somehow I dont recall the UK economy in 2016 being rampant and ahead of every country in Europe. No. The 5% was of YOUR GDP, not any other country's. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2024 8:22:55 GMT
There was no chance of any extra 5% rise - as it was our GDP growth since 2016 was the same as France and ahead of Spain, Germany and Italy. Another 5% would have given us over 50% more growth than France - and somehow I dont recall the UK economy in 2016 being rampant and ahead of every country in Europe. No. The 5% was of YOUR GDP, not any other country's. Yes - and had we had another 5% growth we would have outperformed France massively. Are things in France really as bad as you suggest? |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 23, 2024 9:35:01 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Feb 23, 2024 9:59:33 GMT
No point in bothering.
The entire premise of this thread is basically another Brexit bashing sulk based on false info.
Meanwhile life goes on.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 23, 2024 10:17:09 GMT
No point in bothering. The entire premise of this thread is basically another Brexit bashing sulk based on false info. Meanwhile life goes on. So you given up after being provem Wrong that's good |
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