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Post by Totheleft on Feb 16, 2024 4:37:40 GMT
Labour win 2 by elections in Tory heart lands overturning Tory majoritys of 11.000+ and 18"000+
And the upsurge in Reform.didmt happen with some political pundics saying the Reform candidate in Wellingbough would win the by election .
He his Second incommand of reform.and a very strong Candidate for reform..
He was kicked in touch
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 16, 2024 4:44:55 GMT
Labour win 2 by elections in Tory heart lands overturning Tory majoritys of 11.000+ and 18"000+ And the upsurge in Reform.didmt happen with some political pundics saying the Reform candidate in Wellingbough would win the by election . He his Second incommand of reform.and a very strong Candidate for reform.. He was kicked in touch Full Wellingborough by-election result Gen Kitchen (Labour) 13,844 (45.92 per cent, +19.46 per cent) Helen Harrison (Conservative) 7,408 (24.57 per cent, -37.60 per cent) Ben Habib (Reform UK) 3,919 (13.00 per cent) |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2024 7:45:27 GMT
If yesterday's swing were to be replicated at the next general election (it won't be) - Labour still on course to win, probably with a majority of up to 50.  |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 16, 2024 7:58:33 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000
Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election
Still all to play for
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 16, 2024 8:06:34 GMT
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 16, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000 Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election Still all to play for What makes you think Tory voters won't simply stay home in the GE? As I recall that's what happened in 97, Blair won his huge majority with less votes than Major got in 92. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2024 8:13:19 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000 Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election
Still all to play for Not so sure about that - what is the point of voting Tory where even if they win all you get is Labour?. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 16, 2024 8:22:36 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000 Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election Still all to play for What makes you think Tory voters won't simply stay home in the GE? As I recall that's what happened in 97, Blair won his huge majority with less votes than Major got in 92. Well it's a possibility of course and the tories will have to pull a few rabbits out of the hat to get their people back onside .The stay at homers will have to decide if its worth putting their coats on but with a looming Labour government I think they will . Reform meanwhile will increase their vote which will hurt the tories so even if they do come out to play it may be in vain . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 16, 2024 8:22:46 GMT
Please can we have thread titles that tell us what the subject matter is?
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 16, 2024 8:27:21 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000 Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election
Still all to play for Not so sure about that - what is the point of voting Tory where even if they win all you get is Labour?. Maybe the next election is lost to labour whatever way it goes . Conservatives will then have the only option open to them , Reform . |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 16, 2024 8:28:50 GMT
Please can we have thread titles that tell us what the subject matter is? I agree but there’s no need to get surly about it  Sorry |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2024 8:30:31 GMT
Wasn't really a 'swing' in the vote though was it ? Labour only managed to gain about 200 votes from 2019 whereas the Tory's lost 25,000 Very low turnout which saw the tories stay at home . They won't in a General election Still all to play for Just proving a point, neither of them have a voter base, they rely on all the lies they tell to coerce voters into a false belief. They couldn't fill a village hall between them. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 16, 2024 8:39:01 GMT
Not so sure about that - what is the point of voting Tory where even if they win all you get is Labour?. Maybe the next election is lost to labour whatever way it goes . Conservatives will then have the only option open to them , Reform . There is going to be a huge amount of infighting after the GE. No guarantee of who is going to prevail or the direction the party travels. Then remains to be seen what public support it can garner. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 16, 2024 8:57:25 GMT
Maybe the next election is lost to labour whatever way it goes . Conservatives will then have the only option open to them , Reform . There is going to be a huge amount of infighting after the GE. No guarantee of who is going to prevail or the direction the party travels. Then remains to be seen what public support it can garner. Indeed, I have heard a lot of talk about if/when the Tories lose the GE they need to go further to the right, appoint Braverman or Farrage as leader etc. Personally I've never understood how anyone, right or left wing, who upon losing an election decides that what's needed is a more extreme brand of politics that's just been rejected by the electorate. With the odd exception (such as 2019) elections in the UK are typically won from the centre ground. After their humiliating defeat in 2019 Labour didn't go for an even more left wing leader than Corbyn, they learned the very clear lesson and rowed back to the centre ground, now look at them. I hope that if they lose the next GE the Tories do the same, whatever you may think of them personally we need an effective opposition. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 16, 2024 9:16:03 GMT
Imo it’s the Tory’s inability to move further to the right ( apart from rhetoric) that has cost them the election.
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