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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2022 4:24:16 GMT
But these rich pensioners who are living high on the hog were in their younger years are the ones who were working all hours, paying tax and scrimping to fund the pensioners. To introduce means test is ridiculous, if someone pays into NI they are entitled to a pension, if they are hardworking and sensible enough to provide further income by saving then bully for them. Part of my pension income is derived from a life time saving in ISAs, at the moment due to the low interest rates I receive practically nothing, the rates are kept low so that young people can afford sky high house prices. Much of our present ills stem from Blair and Brown, compounded by Tory indifference. Do you feel it is fair to provide lavish lifestyles together with dental care, pocket money and free STI treatment for those from Albania who wade ashore at the expense of those who have funded NI contributions all their working lives? It would hardly be acceptable to impose cuts in pensioners income (funded by their own contributions) whilst spending £7M A DAY on comforts for foreign criminals who have invaded our country. In terms of the UK pension it is the worst in the developed world. A fecking disgrace. Another dishonest argument. Our pension system is a mix of state and private pension, so you are comparing chalk with cheese. You would have to quote state + average private pension to get an accurate comparison or add 6% to National Insurance lol. Unless you are going to claim that people don't know they are supposed to have state + private provisions, and that there aren't massive tax incentives to put money into a private pension. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2022 4:52:41 GMT
In terms of the UK pension it is the worst in the developed world. A fecking disgrace. Another dishonest argument. Our pension system is a mix of state and private pension, so you are comparing chalk with cheese. You would have to quote state + average private pension to get an accurate comparison or add 6% to National Insurance lol. Unless you are going to claim that people don't know they are supposed to have state + private provisions, and that there aren't massive tax incentives to put money into a private pension. Dont talk rubbish. People pay into their state pension fund all their lives via income tax and NI contributions. What the government does with it has nothing to do with pensioners. The 'average' private pension in this country is c£300 a week, or nearly twice state pension. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 19, 2022 7:11:24 GMT
In terms of the UK pension it is the worst in the developed world. A fecking disgrace. Another dishonest argument. Our pension system is a mix of state and private pension, so you are comparing chalk with cheese. You would have to quote state + average private pension to get an accurate comparison or add 6% to National Insurance lol. Unless you are going to claim that people don't know they are supposed to have state + private provisions, and that there aren't massive tax incentives to put money into a private pension. For higher earners you get 40% tax relief on contributions to a private pension, which isn't bad. I thought that might go - it must be on borrowed time. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 19, 2022 7:46:35 GMT
You would have to quote state + average private pensionion to get an accurate comparison or add 6% to National Insurance lol. Unless you are going to claim that people don't know they are supposed to have state + private provisions, and that there aren't massive tax incentives to put money into a private pension. Dont talk rubbish. People pay into their state pension fund all their lives via income tax and NI contributions. What the government does with it has nothing to do with pensioners. The 'average' private pension in this country is c£300 a week, or nearly twice state pension. Flip nearly £500 a week many hard working low paid workers would love to have such a healthy wage . no wonder im suggesting that state pension should be means tested like unemployment benifits |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2022 7:49:34 GMT
Are you and others saying without state pensions you wouldnt beable to afford the comfortable lifestyle they paid for when taking out private pension. So, people paid National Insurance for 40 years on the understanding that they received a state pension, and you think you have a morale case for withholding it? lol. I'm sure that policy would stand a legal challenge lol. How far do you want to take your politics of envy? Should we link VAT to wealth too? The rich can pay £100 for a pint of milk, the working class £1, and a dole dosser can have one for free lol. Has anyone mentioned that the NI you paid all those years didn't keep pace with the cost of health and therefore left little or nothing for pensions. But that in all those years any government that suggested we increase tax to cover the ever larger things the NHS could offer was voted out of office. The generation of pipe dreamers and cake and eat it. My mum boasts that when she was a nurse she was good because she cared well for the dying patients, because back then that's why you went to hospital because your doctor could do no more for you. That's when your pension promise was made. Nobody has said since, no please don't treat my arthritis, that treatment wasn't available on the deal I signed up for. Apparently the deal can change, but only in one direction. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 20, 2022 2:41:41 GMT
Dont talk rubbish. People pay into their state pension fund all their lives via income tax and NI contributions. What the government does with it has nothing to do with pensioners. The 'average' private pension in this country is c£300 a week, or nearly twice state pension. Flip nearly £500 a week many hard working low paid workers would love to have such a healthy wage . no wonder im suggesting that state pension should be means tested like unemployment benifits Let me get this straight, you want somebody that drifts through life on minimum wage jobs / sits on benefits to receive full state pension... and you want to punish people that have learnt a trade / paid for a university education / worked hard for promotions / built up a business... lol. A world where nobody takes responsibility for their own lives because the state will pick up the tab, what could go wrong... lol. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 20, 2022 2:51:53 GMT
So, people paid National Insurance for 40 years on the understanding that they received a state pension, and you think you have a morale case for withholding it? lol. I'm sure that policy would stand a legal challenge lol. How far do you want to take your politics of envy? Should we link VAT to wealth too? The rich can pay £100 for a pint of milk, the working class £1, and a dole dosser can have one for free lol. Has anyone mentioned that the NI you paid all those years didn't keep pace with the cost of health and therefore left little or nothing for pensions. But that in all those years any government that suggested we increase tax to cover the ever larger things the NHS could offer was voted out of office. The generation of pipe dreamers and cake and eat it. My mum boasts that when she was a nurse she was good because she cared well for the dying patients, because back then that's why you went to hospital because your doctor could do no more for you. That's when your pension promise was made. Nobody has said since, no please don't treat my arthritis, that treatment wasn't available on the deal I signed up for. Apparently the deal can change, but only in one direction. I've never seen a Labour government make an honest argument for improving public services. Instead, they use fairytale policies like stopping non-dom, or asking "the rich to pay a little more", or some bollocks about broad shoulders. They talk of Nordic levels of public services, then lie about how it is funded i.e. high taxes for everybody. In Labour land only "the rich" are actual responsible for anything, everybody else needs a nanny state. Google a German wage slip and tell me that Labour have ever argued for an honest funding breakdown like the German's do. I would be up for high tax, high spend if the conversation was honest. Unfortunately, no party in the UK is capable of having a grown-up conversation on how public services should be funded. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 20, 2022 4:29:03 GMT
Flip nearly £500 a class manin n hard woruniverclass Rdbechancekers would love to have such a healthtypical. no wonder im suggesting that state pension should be means tested like unemployment benifits Let me get this straight, you want somebody that drifts through life on minimum wage jobs / sits on benefits to receive full state pension... and you want to punish people that have learnt a trade / paid for a university education / worked hard for promotions / built up a business... lol. A world where nobody takes responsibility for their own lives because the state will pick up the tab, what could go wrong... lol. Lets Get this straight 1 who are these people that sit on unemployment benefit especially in the days were talking about when unemployment was low and people could walk out of one job to another. If your talking about todays unemployment once again its low and to claim unemployment benefit you have to proof your looking for work. Your a tyripical tory who doesnt know what there talking about when it comes down to the unemployed and thinks everyone on unemployment benefit is a scounger University education once again you not a clue your talking about it was free back in them days and the working class person had very little chance of ataining univercity. and lets not forget the biased Grammer school education where only tbe brightest chidren could go and they got the best teachers . both univercity and Grammer schools was publuc financed by the tax payer who included the low paid worker. learnt a trade In them days there was Aprentenshios in semi/skilled jobs today there very little choice. worked hard for promotion what you on about even the low paid work hard for promation but cant afford a private pension. Built uo a business yea they pay kess tax then the working man when yiou include tax exemptions and you think the millionaire business person deserves a state pension diont make me laugh you are a tyipical hating tory but in your case you support labour foundations the union when there striking for better pay and work conditions for yourself . you sir are a first class hypocrite. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2022 8:31:44 GMT
I've never seen a Labour government make an honest argument for improving public services. Instead, they use fairytale policies like stopping non-dom, or asking "the rich to pay a little more", or some bollocks about broad shoulders. They talk of Nordic levels of public services, then lie about how it is funded i.e. high taxes for everybody. In Labour land only "the rich" are actual responsible for anything, everybody else needs a nanny state. Google a German wage slip and tell me that Labour have ever argued for an honest funding breakdown like the German's do. I would be up for high tax, high spend if the conversation was honest. Unfortunately, no party in the UK is capable of having a grown-up conversation on how public services should be funded. Why is that do you think? Why do they need to lie about raising taxes? Why do they have to pretend it will wont even be the richest among us, but only some super rich foreigner? Just look at the reaction to tax increases on here. I'm so tired of people who have 50k cars and 4 holidays a year saying we can't afford to pay more tax or lose our state pensions. It a lie. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 8:51:43 GMT
Let me get this straight, you want somebody that drifts through life on minimum wage jobs / sits on benefits to receive full state pension... and you want to punish people that have learnt a trade / paid for a university education / worked hard for promotions / built up a business... lol. A world where nobody takes responsibility for their own lives because the state will pick up the tab, what could go wrong... lol. Lets Get this straight 1 who are these people that sit on unemployment benefit especially in the days were talking about when unemployment was low and people could walk out of one job to another. If your talking about todays unemployment once again its low and to claim unemployment benefit you have to proof your looking for work. Your a tyripical tory who doesnt know what there talking about when it comes down to the unemployed and thinks everyone on unemployment benefit is a scounger University education once again you not a clue your talking about it was free back in them days and the working class person had very little chance of ataining univercity. and lets not forget the biased Grammer school education where only tbe brightest chidren could go and they got the best teachers . both univercity and Grammer schools was publuc financed by the tax payer who included the low paid worker. learnt a trade In them days there was Aprentenshios in semi/skilled jobs today there very little choice. worked hard for promotion what you on about even the low paid work hard for promation but cant afford a private pension. Built uo a business yea they pay kess tax then the working man when yiou include tax exemptions and you think the millionaire business person deserves a state pension diont make me laugh you are a tyipical hating tory but in your case you support labour foundations the union when there striking for better pay and work conditions for yourself . you sir are a first class hypocrite. I agree. I even liked one of his posts in defence of the striking postal workers in which he sounded quite left wing. I guess it's different when it's him. And at least you and I can be on the same page when attacking the Tories, because I hate many of their attitudes and much of what they actually stand for rather than what they tell us they stand for. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 20, 2022 9:04:14 GMT
Lets Get this straight 1 who are these people that sit on unemployment benefit especially in the days were talking about when unemployment was low and people could walk out of one job to another. If your talking about todays unemployment once again its low and to claim unemployment benefit you have to proof your looking for work. Your a tyripical tory who doesnt know what there talking about when it comes down to the unemployed and thinks everyone on unemployment benefit is a scounger University education once again you not a clue your talking about it was free back in them days and the working class person had very little chance of ataining univercity. and lets not forget the biased Grammer school education where only tbe brightest chidren could go and they got the best teachers . both univercity and Grammer schools was publuc financed by the tax payer who included the low paid worker. learnt a trade In them days there was Aprentenshios in semi/skilled jobs today there very little choice. worked hard for promotion what you on about even the low paid work hard for promation but cant afford a private pension. Built uo a business yea they pay kess tax then the working man when yiou include tax exemptions and you think the millionaire business person deserves a state pension diont make me laugh you are a tyipical hating tory but in your case you support labour foundations the union when there striking for better pay and work conditions for yourself . you sir are a first class hypocrite. I agree. I even liked one of his posts in defence of the striking postal workers in which he sounded quite left wing. I guess it's different when it's him. And at least you and I can be on the same page when attacking the Tories, because I hate many of their attitudes and much of what they actually stand for rather than what they tell us they stand for.Yea at least we have a common cause there.  |
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