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Post by om15 on Nov 16, 2022 18:29:27 GMT
As an addition to my earlier suggestion regarding money, we understand that Ukraine is a wealthy country, gas, oil, minerals and so on, I think that we should keep a running total of the cost of supporting them, we are supplying rockets, bazookas and all manner of high tech stuff, when it is over we should give them a bill for it all and then have a load of free gas, diamonds, gold and grain for a while to ease the burden.
Austerity will not be undertaken with a sanguin tolerance by those on low wages when we see how the invaders are being treated, I'm not a clever Goldman Sachs Prime Minister, but even I can see that, people are pissed off and this time tomorrow I think they will be even more pissed off.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 16, 2022 18:33:10 GMT
As an addition to my earlier suggestion regarding money, we understand that Ukraine is a wealthy country, gas, oil, minerals and so on, I think that we should keep a running total of the cost of supporting them, we are supplying rockets, bazookas and all manner of high tech stuff, when it is over we should give them a bill for it all and then have a load of free gas, diamonds, gold and grain for a while to ease the burden. Austerity will not be undertaken with a sanguin tolerance by those on low wages when we see how the invaders are being treated, I'm not a clever Goldman Sachs Prime Minister, but even I can see that, people are pissed off and this time tomorrow I think they will be even more pissed off. Cleverness is not a Goldman Sachs requirement, dodgery is. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 16, 2022 18:54:55 GMT
Nov 2022 · The government of the United Kingdom is expected to spend approximately 104.5 billion British pounds on the state pension in 2021/22, ...
Thats more than double the national Dept how scandalous
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Post by borchester on Nov 16, 2022 19:11:24 GMT
Nov 2022 · The government of the United Kingdom is expected to spend approximately 104.5 billion British pounds on the state pension in 2021/22, ... Thats more than double the national Dept how scandalous Are you sure?
The national debt is about £2450 billions, while the state pension is about 4% 0f this
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 16, 2022 19:30:11 GMT
Nov 2022 · The government of the United Kingdom is expected to spend approximately 104.5 billion British pounds on the state pension in 2021/22, ... Thats more than double the national Dept how scandalous Are you sure?
The national debt is about £2450 billions, while the state pension is about 4% 0f this
Sorry Im on about the 50billion black hole the government is about filling with its Aurtristy cuts and tax hike . thanks for correcting me |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2022 22:06:41 GMT
Are you sure?
The national debt is about £2450 billions, while the state pension is about 4% 0f this
Sorry Im on about the 50billion black hole the government is about filling with its Aurtristy cuts and tax hike . thanks for correcting me So what exactly are you complaining about - or is it just a general whinge? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 22:48:37 GMT
The two men who had the answer to solving the countrys debt problem after the Financial Crisis and Recession of 2007 - 2009 were Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown.
During the election campaign of 2010, both of these men warned that any government which suddenly imposed drastic and deep cuts to budgets would cut off growth and risk another recession, thereby making defecit reduction almost impossible.
They were proved to be correct
At the despatch box in the House of Commons in July 2010, the new Chancellor of the Exchequer "George Osborne" made several forecasts, and he predicted that the deficit would be gone by 2015 - EVERY forecast he made never materialised, and the deficit was not solved by 2015.
The Conservatives never learn
The immediate aftermath of the Tory cuts of 2010 was a reduction in growth, and we eventually came within a whisker of a Double Dip Recession.
At that same despatch box of the House Of Commons in 2010, George Osborne warned the British people that unless we enacted his policies, the UK would be in danger of losing its reputation, and its Triple A Credit Rating.
Britain LOST its Triple A Credit Rating in 2013
Why dont the Tories look at evidence, at other economies ? - they are they fixated on ideology which is wrong.
The very best solution to reducing the deficit is GROWTH, and austerity cuts off growth.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 16, 2022 22:51:51 GMT
Im complaing that the Government is spending 104 billion on state pensions this year alone
The state pension has gone up yr on yr in line with inflation since 2010 triple lock on pensions.
If its kept in line with inllation has it is now at 11% it could see state pensions raise has estimated by some a staggering £75 pr week.
I like I stated before think the state pension should be means tested in line with unemployment benfits .
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2022 22:54:14 GMT
Im complaing that the Government is spending 104 billion on state pensions this year alone fair enough - although I would point out that there are other posters from the left who suggest the UK Pensions are not high enough. but each to their own |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 7:47:21 GMT
Im complaing that the Government is spending 104 billion on state pensions this year alone The state pension has gone up yr on yr in line with inflation since 2010 triple lock on pensions. If its kept in line with inllation has it is now at 11% it could see state pensions raise has estimated by some a staggering £75 pr week. I like I stated before think the state pension should be means tested in line with unemployment benfits . How much has the British taxpayer contributed to that, how much NI contributions, how much tax? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 10:58:13 GMT
totheleft3 "Im complaing that the Government is spending 104 billion on state pensions this year alone
The state pension has gone up yr on yr in line with inflation since 2010 triple lock on pensions.
If its kept in line with inllation has it is now at 11% it could see state pensions raise has estimated by some a staggering £75 pr week.
I like I stated before think the state pension should be means tested in line with unemployment benfits"
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Pensioners have never been so well off, and of course the decision to shower pensioners with money, whilst young people on low incomes are forced into poverty IS POLITICAL.
The Tories know who their voters are - you only have to look around the audience of a Tory Party Conference
My own mother has a very small private pension, plus her state pension, but she s also entitled to benefits, she s swimming in money, she does not worry about the cost of electricity, she s not concerned at turning the heating up, she pays no TV Licence and gets FREE buses to anywhere she wants.
This is actually all really good, but it does seem more than a little unfair when working people on low incomes have had their benefits and living standards cut.
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Post by om15 on Nov 17, 2022 11:17:39 GMT
But these rich pensioners who are living high on the hog were in their younger years are the ones who were working all hours, paying tax and scrimping to fund the pensioners.
To introduce means test is ridiculous, if someone pays into NI they are entitled to a pension, if they are hardworking and sensible enough to provide further income by saving then bully for them.
Part of my pension income is derived from a life time saving in ISAs, at the moment due to the low interest rates I receive practically nothing, the rates are kept low so that young people can afford sky high house prices. Much of our present ills stem from Blair and Brown, compounded by Tory indifference.
Do you feel it is fair to provide lavish lifestyles together with dental care, pocket money and free STI treatment for those from Albania who wade ashore at the expense of those who have funded NI contributions all their working lives?
It would hardly be acceptable to impose cuts in pensioners income (funded by their own contributions) whilst spending £7M A DAY on comforts for foreign criminals who have invaded our country.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2022 11:45:58 GMT
Imo there is zero chance of state pensions being raised £75 per week but what is3 your objections to old people being paid a decent pension ? Unemployment benefits are supposed to be temporary , unlike state pensions . I think the proposed state pension increase of £75 pr week is scandeless . 1 a single / couple do not receive has much in unemployment benefits has a Single/couple oap in receate of state pensions. 2 state pensions are not means tested like unemployment benifits are if you have savings of more than 6, 000 you cant recive unemployment benifits but if your one of the 1% wealthiest you still get state pension credits. You can have private pensions and still receive state pension credits
Well of course you should - you've paid for it. Unlike many on benefits who haven't contributed a penny.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 17, 2022 11:56:07 GMT
Im complaingwith thatwant the Government is spending 104 billion on state pensions this year alone The state pension has gone up yr on yr in line with inflation since 2010 triple lock on pensions. If its kept in line with inllation has it is now at 11% it could see state pensions raise has estimated by some a staggering £75 pr week. I like I stated before think the state pension should be means tested in line with unemployment benfits . How much has the British taxpayer contributed to that, how much NI contributions, how much tax? What your on about every working person pays income tax and ni contribution and your generation contributione want on your generation. its this generation that having to pick up the huge and growing bill of state pensions and social care . With the gpd dedecreasing month on month and the slowiest growth in the G7. Britain can ill aford to hand out such massive handouts to state pensions . there a econmic time bomd and something needs to get done sooner or later. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 17, 2022 12:10:58 GMT
How much has the British taxpayerane contributed to that, how much NI contributions, how much tax? What your on about every working person pays income tax and ni contribution and your generation contributione want on your generation. its this generation that having to pick up the huge and growing bill of state pensions and social care . With the gpd dedecreasing month on month and the slowiest growth in the G7. Britain can ill aford to hand out such massive handouts to state pensions . there a econmic time bomd and something needs to get done sooner or later. Them on unemployment benifits would of contributed incomb tax and ni contributions when they was employed also unemployment benefits are income realated or contribrution related . one pays out more in benefits then the other And seeing that people on unemployment benefits are very lol Pointing the finger at them for the countrys problem doesnt bear much weight |
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