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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 11:12:34 GMT
Even if they conjured up a plan that would effectively address some of the nation's myriad problems, there is probably insufficient time left for it to be widely seen to be working. We have arrived at a point where the majority of the public appear to have decisively turned against the governing party. When that happens it is very difficult to turn things around. Even last minute tax cuts will widely be seen as a cynical bribe by a cynical public in such a mood. Sure. Ten years is enough to time in which to make a 'token effort' on one issue, but they just haven't 'bothered'. The conclusion has to be that they do not intend to and anything they may say is just another round of window dressing so they can take office and not address things for another 5 years. They do have some things on their side - firstly, the opposition don't intend to do anything about the concerns the public have either and, secondly, the opposition is full of 'mentalists', who, feeling emboldened by the polls may just push everything over the lunacy cliff. The Labour party may fall into chaos as its third worldist, jihadi factions attempt to seize control The Labour party has largely not told us what it is going to do in government and in any case has a leader whose track record after being elected to anything is to ditch the promises he was elected on. All of which is concerning because we can only guess what is likely to happen. But one thing is certain. Starmer will seek to placate those whose support he wants to keep on board. That will include influential sections of the establishment including in the media. So he is unlikely to rock the boat too much insofar as the rich and powerful are concerned. But I could be wrong about that. Your guess is as good as mine. Though I have shared a party with some of his supporters and know how they think. And the bottom line is that any principle will be sold if it buys power. Anything too bold is unlikely in case it frightens the horses. Which is itself a potential problem where bold action is needed. If any bold action is taken, it is only likely to be after the establishment has been brought on board in support. Which means it isnt going to happen unless the establishment wants it to. Starmer is after all the establishment's choice for Labour leader, regarded as a relatively safe pair of hands insofar as protecting the interests of the establishment is concerned whilst the Tories sort themselves out again. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2024 11:24:22 GMT
I disagree. I think it is perfectly possible that we will see an insurrection in the Labour party. They have courted, and now rely on, 'communities' and we can already see the foothills of unrest in things like 'the muslim party'. It's just one thing that might happen. If this starts creating chaos for them they may become un-electable despite how truly awful the conservatives are.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2024 11:51:33 GMT
I disagree. I think it is perfectly possible that we will see an insurrection in the Labour party. They have courted, and now rely on, 'communities' and we can already see the foothills of unrest in things like 'the muslim party'. It's just one thing that might happen. If this starts creating chaos for them they may become un-electable despite how truly awful the conservatives are. It would be funny if that happened - the Labour Party have spent the last 15 years promoting identity politics and if those identities decided to start voting for their own representatives I would laugh like a drain..  |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 11:55:11 GMT
I disagree. I think it is perfectly possible that we will see an insurrection in the Labour party. They have courted, and now rely on, 'communities' and we can already see the foothills of unrest in thhave ings like 'the muslim party'. It's just one thing that might happen. If this starts creating chaos for them they may become un-electable despite how truly awful the conservatives are. Labour have courted and rely on what CommuniUnites? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 11:58:57 GMT
I disagree. I think it is perfectly possible that we will see an insurrection in the Labour party. They have courted, and now rely on, 'communities' and we can already see the foothills of unrest in things like 'the muslim party'. It's just one thing that might happen. If this starts creating chaos for them they may become un-electable despite how truly awful the conservatives are. It would be funny if that happened - the Labour Party have spent the last 15 years promoting identity politics and if those identities decided to start voting for their own representatives I would laugh like a drain.. what identy.politics I can show you where the Conservative party been feeding and relying on a small proportion of the British CommuniUnite. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2024 12:00:27 GMT
I disagree. I think it is perfectly possible that we will see an insurrection in the Labour party. They have courted, and now rely on, 'communities' and we can already see the foothills of unrest in thhave ings like 'the muslim party'. It's just one thing that might happen. If this starts creating chaos for them they may become un-electable despite how truly awful the conservatives are. Labour have courted and rely on what CommuniUnites? Jihadis, cross dressers and toilet hoverers |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 14:56:45 GMT
Labour have courted and rely on what CommuniUnites? Jihadis, cross dressers and toilet hoverers Im sure you can provide proof of that especially two are against the law. But what do you call the triple lock pension if not buying votes? And pampering to a Minority of the British population? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2024 17:44:41 GMT
Jihadis, cross dressers and toilet hoverers Im sure you can provide proof of that especially two are against the law. But what do you call the triple lock pension if not buying votes? And pampering to a Minority of the British population? So labour are committed to scrapping the triple lock? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 18:58:13 GMT
They must of forgotten he was liberty that why he was chucked out of number 10. Just a point here. It wasn't the uk people who chucked Boris Johnson out of number 10 (ie it wasn't democratic). Personally i don't think even Johnson's 'appeal' is enough. To large degree there are now irretrievable trust issues with the Conservatives. They would have to address some of the nation's problems to get that trust back and there is no sign they intend to address any of them. You Clearly pointed out another failure of Brexit. The main point of the Brexit campaign was we have Souventry over or Democratic decisions and not a unelected bureaucrats in EUROPE Wasn't Johnson kicked out of Number 10.by unelected bureaucracy by Conservative HQ. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 19:00:02 GMT
Im sure you can provide proof of that especially two are against the law. But what do you call the triple lock pension if not buying votes? And pampering to a Minority of the British population? So labour are committed to scrapping the triple lock? Hope so we have to wait and see there not on power yet . At least your admitting the Triple lock buys votes. Well done you |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2024 19:35:07 GMT
Just a point here. It wasn't the uk people who chucked Boris Johnson out of number 10 (ie it wasn't democratic). Personally i don't think even Johnson's 'appeal' is enough. To large degree there are now irretrievable trust issues with the Conservatives. They would have to address some of the nation's problems to get that trust back and there is no sign they intend to address any of them. You Clearly pointed out another failure of Brexit. The main point of the Brexit campaign was we have Souventry over or Democratic decisions and not a unelected bureaucrats in EUROPE Wasn't Johnson kicked out of Number 10.by unelected bureaucracy by Conservative HQ. It's not a failure of Brexit, the UK soviet would have been in place with or without Brexit - it is Brexit independent variable. Some might even argue we have got rid of the layers and the lower layer is now fully exposed. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 19:46:15 GMT
You Clearly pointed out another failure of Brexit. The main point of the Brexit campaign was we have Souventry over or Democratic decisions and not a unelected bureaucrats in EUROPE Wasn't Johnson kicked out of Number 10.by unelected bureaucracy by Conservative HQ. It's not a failure of Brexit, the UK soviet would have been in place with or without Brexit - it is Brexit independent variable. Some might even argue we have got rid of the layers and the lower layer is now fully exposed. Are you saying the decision to chuck borris out would of still been made if we didn't have Brexit? No change to the Status que then.. So the remain Campaign was right the Brexit campaign was built on lies. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2024 19:48:04 GMT
It's not a failure of Brexit, the UK soviet would have been in place with or without Brexit - it is Brexit independent variable. Some might even argue we have got rid of the layers and the lower layer is now fully exposed. Are you saying the decision to chuck borris out would of still been made if we didn't have Brexit? No change to the Status que then.. So the remain Campaign was right the Brexit campaign was built on lies. Nobody claimed that Brexit would solve every problem at once. The Uk has a soviet and they want things put back as they were. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2024 22:18:57 GMT
So labour are committed to scrapping the triple lock? Hope so we have to wait and see there not on power yet . At least your admitting the Triple lock buys votes. Well done you Oh - I thought you had inside information. Because the last thing Labour said about it was that they were keeping the triple lock. perhaps it was just wishful thinking on your part and Labour are just as wedded to attracting the pensioner vote as the Tories.. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 15, 2024 22:44:50 GMT
Are you saying the decision to chuck borris out would of still been made if we didn't have Brexit? No change to the Status que then.. So the remain Campaign was right the Brexit campaign was built on lies. Nobody claimed that Brexit would solve every problem at once. The Uk has a soviet and they want things put back as they were. it takes time we had the Referendum in 2016 over 7yrs ago .how long do you want . Name one thing that Changed in that time can't think of any . |
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