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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 11:56:36 GMT
Andrew, politicians want the election to be about anything but immigrants because the Tories have shown themselves to be utterly incompetent and Labour will be worse. They'll talk about jobs, the economy, inflation, net zero, the NHS, anything but immigration. And if you think people aren't talking about immigration then you need to stop listening to the BBC and get out more. I'm not politically correct, some might call me a nosey bugger. If I'm in a pub or restaurant or indeed a shop, I will strike up a conversation with strangers and ask them what their concerns are, how they're voting and what they think of Labour and the Tories. OK this is only a snapshot of my experience, but by far the top two issues most people I speak to are concerned about is the effect net zero will have on them, and the immigrant invasion and this is not an area that has any immigrants, unless you go to Stafford. My brother lives in Wiltshire, there are no immigrants where he lives, but that doesn't mean people are not concerned about it. He says people are just waiting for the first immigrants to show up. Politicians may not be talking about immigration, but I assure you, many people are. It's going to be interesting.
The polls keep suggesting a Labour landslide but, if people are concerned about immigration and Net Zero (and I believe that they are), then voting Labour (a pro-immigration/pro-Net-Zero party) would seem an odd choice.
And, in regard to pretty much everything else, I doubt that most people would see much difference between the establishment parties.
Overall, I'm not sure that the current polls are that reflective of public opinion.
Couple of points 1.there are no immigrants where he lives, but that doesn't mean people are not concerned Come General Election people who vote labour are areas with high immigration. 2 doubt that most people would see much difference between the establishment parties. People have plenty of Opportunities to vote for Alternative party's they Could vote for Reform etc. Seeing they pick up less them 15% of the vote shows you are wrong on Both Accounts |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2024 11:59:01 GMT
The thing with polls it depends on who is doing them and who is asking.
If you go in to a predominantly Labour constituency, or high Muslim population, they will say any party other than the Tories, so you aren't getting the true picture.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2024 12:00:20 GMT
It's going to be interesting.
The polls keep suggesting a Labour landslide but, if people are concerned about immigration and Net Zero (and I believe that they are), then voting Labour (a pro-immigration/pro-Net-Zero party) would seem an odd choice.
And, in regard to pretty much everything else, I doubt that most people would see much difference between the establishment parties.
Overall, I'm not sure that the current polls are that reflective of public opinion.
Couple of points 1.there are no immigrants where he lives, but that doesn't mean people are not concerned Give it time lefty old bean especially if labour get in... |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 12:04:17 GMT
It's going to be interesting. The polls keep suggesting a Labour landslide but, if people are concerned about immigration and Net Zero (and I believe that they are), then voting Labour (a pro-immigration/pro-Net-Zero party) would seem an odd choice. And, in regard to pretty much everything else, I doubt that most people would see much difference between the establishment parties. Overall, I'm not sure that the current polls are that reflective of public opinion. I agree, it's a conundrum. Many people are concerned about immigration and net zero, but they're also rightly annoyed with the Tories, so who do they vote for? It is indeed going to be interesting. Again I tend to think you're probably correct, I doubt there will be much of a noticeable difference between a Labour government and recent Tory governments, and that's Sunaks biggest problem, the Tories aren't Tories. Some comentators are predicting record low turnouts for the general election, maybe voters will register a protest by voting 'none of the above'. If they won't to register protests they Could vote Reform .have Didn't you vote tory/Johnson because they said they implement Brexit. And what do you say about young labour voters there Naive oh well never mind. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 12:10:20 GMT
The thing with polls it depends on who is doing them and who is asking. If you go in to a predominantly Labour constituency, or high Muslim population, they will say any party other than the Tories, so you aren't getting the true picture. [b You do know that polls cover all demographics don't you . Do you feel that way when polls shown a commanding lead in 2019 For the Tories . Has for Muslims ain't you been sporting on about labour losing the Muslim vote? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2024 12:13:56 GMT
The thing with polls it depends on who is doing them and who is asking. If you go in to a predominantly Labour constituency, or high Muslim population, they will say any party other than the Tories, so you aren't getting the true picture. [b You do know that polls cover all demographics don't you . Do you feel that way when polls shown a commanding lead in 2019 For the Tories . Has for Muslims ain't you been sporting on about labour losing the Muslim vote? It depends on who is conducting the polls, most of them have a lefty agenda so they will never put the Tories in a good position.
The polls suggested that the referendum results would be to Remain, so they got that wrong.
The Muslims aren't happy with Starmer because he isn't doing as he is told by demanding a Gaza ceasefire, so they might have a protest vote, or even start up their own political party, the point is polls are as reliable as tossing a coin.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 12:14:08 GMT
Couple of points 1.there are no immigrants where he lives, but that doesn't mean people are not concerned Give it time lefty old bean especially if labour get in... What even after labour 13yrs and so called mass immigration urm |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 9, 2024 12:14:53 GMT
I just don't understand how people who argue that there's no difference between the two main parties are terrified of a Labour government.
Makes zero logical sense to me.
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 9, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
The thing with polls it depends on who is doing them and who is asking. If you go in to a predominantly Labour constituency, or high Muslim population, they will say any party other than the Tories, so you aren't getting the true picture. Polls are weighted so that this doesn't happen. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2024 12:17:41 GMT
Give it time lefty old bean especially if labour get in... What even after labour 13yrs and so called mass immigration urm Mass immigration will quadruple under labour....Only a leftie knuckle dragging dumfuck would state otherwise. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2024 12:19:50 GMT
I just don't understand how people who argue that there's no difference between the two main parties are terrified of a Labour government.Makes zero logical sense to me. Many of the older generation have seen for themselves what a total fuckup labour makes of things. Does the words there is no money left chime with you Andy? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 12:21:33 GMT
[b You do know that polls cover all demographics don't you . Do you feel that way when polls shown a commanding lead in 2019 For the Tories . Has for Muslims ain't you been sporting on about labour losing the Muslim vote? It depends on who is conducting the polls, most of them have a lefty agenda so they will never put the Tories in a good position.
The polls suggested that the referendum results would be to Remain, so they got that wrong.
The Muslims aren't happy with Starmer because he isn't doing as he is told by demanding a Gaza ceasefire, so they might have a protest vote, or even start up their own political party, the point is polls are as reliable as tossing a coin.
The polls over Brexit kept swinging between yes and no .what suggested a close contest and they was right seeing leave only won by 4% more then Remain. Has for it depends who doing the polls don't you understand they all show a majority lead for tory in 2019 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 12:23:45 GMT
I just don't understand how people who argue that there's no difference between the two main parties are terrified of a Labour government. Makes zero logical sense to me. If you could understand then there would be a glimmer of hope for humanity. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 9, 2024 12:23:59 GMT
I just don't understand how people who argue that there's no difference between the two main parties are terrified of a Labour government.Makes zero logical sense to me. Many of the older generation have seen for themselves what a total fuckup labour makes of things. Does the words there is no money left chime with you Andy? So you are agreeing that there is a difference between the two main parties then? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2024 12:24:26 GMT
It depends on who is conducting the polls, most of them have a lefty agenda so they will never put the Tories in a good position.
The polls suggested that the referendum results would be to Remain, so they got that wrong.
The Muslims aren't happy with Starmer because he isn't doing as he is told by demanding a Gaza ceasefire, so they might have a protest vote, or even start up their own political party, the point is polls are as reliable as tossing a coin.
The polls over Brexit kept swinging between yes and no .what suggested a close contest and they was right seeing leave only won by 4% more then Remain. Has for it depends who doing the polls don't you understand they all show a majority lead for tory in 2019Like fuck they did lefty old bean... |
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