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Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 11:30:54 GMT
Fact They aren't kicking paying guests out of 5* hotels like the Hilton Hotel Snowdonia, and cancelling millions of pounds worth of lucrative Wedding bookings so they can house 'illegal migrants', for nothing. These top class venues like the Hilton, notice they aren't using the run down Britannia Hotel chains to house them, to name a few Liverpool Adelphi, Llandudno the not so Grand Hotel, Blackpool Britannia dump hotel, Britannia dump Stoke-on-Trent. They are using Hilton hotels, Holiday Inns, come on any one else smell a Big fat festering rat? Could that be because contrary to your post, there isn't a Hilton 5* hotel in Snowdonia - fact Also note that these hotels that cancel reservations are doing so out of their own free will. |
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Nov 15, 2022 11:38:34 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2022 11:38:34 GMT
Certainly is - but who is really interested in solving the issue...  |
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Nov 15, 2022 11:46:01 GMT
Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 11:46:01 GMT
It's time we just plain refused asylum to anyone coming from a safe country. Probably requires a law change which could be put through in days and it'd be interesting to see if Labour committed electoral suicide trying to oppose it.
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Nov 15, 2022 11:54:23 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 15, 2022 11:54:23 GMT
So with no way of claiming asylum without passing through "safe countries", what you are effectively saying Steve, is that you want Britain, the fifth richest country in the world, to opt completely out of providing asylum to people in need.
Even leaving aside the international implications of acting in this way, what a sad scared little country we have become.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2022 11:56:05 GMT
There already is such a law in effect to do just that: S16 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022, which deals with the inadmissibility of asylum claims from anyone with 'connections to a safe country'..
For some curious reason though officials seem reluctant to use it. I suspect they are waiting for the courts to rule on the Rwanda option.
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Nov 15, 2022 12:02:28 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 15, 2022 12:02:28 GMT
Fact They aren't kicking paying guests out of 5* hotels like the Hilton Hotel Snowdonia, and cancelling millions of pounds worth of lucrative Wedding bookings so they can house 'illegal migrants', for nothing. These top class venues like the Hilton, notice they aren't using the run down Britannia Hotel chains to house them, to name a few Liverpool Adelphi, Llandudno the not so Grand Hotel, Blackpool Britannia dump hotel, Britannia dump Stoke-on-Trent. They are using Hilton hotels, Holiday Inns, come on any one else smell a Big fat festering rat? Could that be because contrary to your post, there isn't a Hilton 5* hotel in Snowdonia - fact Also note that these hotels that cancel reservations are doing so out of their own free will. FACT |
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Nov 15, 2022 13:18:31 GMT
Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 13:18:31 GMT
Not a Five star hotel is it |
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Nov 15, 2022 13:21:26 GMT
Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 13:21:26 GMT
There already is such a law in effect to do just that: S16 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022, which deals with the inadmissibility of asylum claims from anyone with 'connections to a safe country'.. For some curious reason though officials seem reluctant to use it. I suspect they are waiting for the courts to rule on the Rwanda option. Thanks for that and yes I read it and the situation the same. For info it amends the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 and this is the new definitions of 'connection to a safe country' Only one has to apply and 80C (4) is the key one www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/41/section/80C |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2022 13:36:22 GMT
So with no way of claiming asylum without passing through "safe countries", what you are effectively saying Steve, is that you want Britain, the fifth richest country in the world, to opt completely out of providing asylum to people in need. Even leaving aside the international implications of acting in this way, what a sad scared little country we have become. But we have done more than our bit over the recent past. The Ugandan and Kenyan Asians were allowed to come in large numbers after being expelled, the Vietnamese boat people were about 30,000 strong about 10% of the total leaving and we are on the opposite side of the world, we are taking large numbers from Hong Kong and Afghanistan. So there are many ways to receive asylum in the UK. Al that is really expected is that one does not force oneself upon a country by travelling through many safe countries to go asylum shopping. A reasonable posture I would have thought. Seeking safety is not a choice and neither is the location of where one seeks safety. |
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Nov 15, 2022 13:57:04 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 15, 2022 13:57:04 GMT
That isn't the legal position or the moral position IMHO Sandy.#
It is interesting the difference in attitudes towards people for example from Western Ukraine - who in reality by any objective measure would be considered economic migrants and for example Eritrea - who in most cases would by any objective measure be considered entitled to asylum.
Just another reminder that media projection is what matters. Reality is largely irrelevant. I suppose it will never change.
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Nov 15, 2022 15:34:35 GMT
Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 15:34:35 GMT
Fact They aren't kicking paying guests out of 5* hotels like the Hilton Hotel Snowdonia, and cancelling millions of pounds worth of lucrative Wedding bookings so they can house 'illegal migrants', for nothing. These top class venues like the Hilton, notice they aren't using the run down Britannia Hotel chains to house them, to name a few Liverpool Adelphi, Llandudno the not so Grand Hotel, Blackpool Britannia dump hotel, Britannia dump Stoke-on-Trent. They are using Hilton hotels, Holiday Inns, come on any one else smell a Big fat festering rat? Could that be because contrary to your post, there isn't a Hilton 5* hotel in Snowdonia - fact Also note that these hotels that cancel reservations are doing so out of their own free will. You couldn't make it up, or rather you could. 🤣 |
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Nov 15, 2022 15:39:40 GMT
Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 15:39:40 GMT
So with no way of claiming asylum without passing through "safe countries", what you are effectively saying Steve, is that you want Britain, the fifth richest country in the world, to opt completely out of providing asylum to people in need. Even leaving aside the international implications of acting in this way, what a sad scared little country we have become. Steve said coming from, not passing through. Not sure if he meant originating from. But if he did then yes give them a dingy and tell them to paddle back home. |
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Nov 15, 2022 16:13:22 GMT
Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2022 16:13:22 GMT
There already is such a law in effect to do just that: S16 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022, which deals with the inadmissibility of asylum claims from anyone with 'connections to a safe country'.. For some curious reason though officials seem reluctant to use it. I suspect they are waiting for the courts to rule on the Rwanda option. My impression is that this is just the latest in a short list of similar laws (at least two), all re-affirming basically the same notion - Ie that the UK government has to right to refuse entry to the UK to those escaping the horrors of France - and all being ignored by successive governments as they flail about pretending to be befuddled by the problem. |
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Nov 15, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 15, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
Could that be because contrary to your post, there isn't a Hilton 5* hotel in Snowdonia - fact Also note that these hotels that cancel reservations are doing so out of their own free will. 🤣 Well you should know, you're 'simply the best' at it lol  |
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Nov 15, 2022 16:22:11 GMT
Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 16:22:11 GMT
You couldn't make it up, or rather you could. 🤣 Well you should know, you're simply the best lol I know, people tell me they like my stories, but I don't pretend they are real 😇  Not quite as 5 star as I was hoping😅 |
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