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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 17:24:40 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now. If the Government dont start getting a grip of this issue and impose some control on the borders people are going to turn their back on mainstream politics and start to vote for more extremist parties.
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Nov 14, 2022 17:28:33 GMT
Post by sheepy on Nov 14, 2022 17:28:33 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now. If the Government dont start getting a grip of this issue and impose some control on the borders people are going to turn their back on mainstream politics and start to vote for more extremist parties. Imagine the person who is running things that thought it was a great idea, a little worrying in my opinion.
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 17:38:55 GMT
The headline is capable of being misinterpreted Pacifico. It seems from reading the article that the Government, largely as a result of its chronic failure to turn around asylum applications in a reasonable time - many are now waiting 3-5 years with their lives in limbo at significant expense to the state as a result of Government incompetence, has offered to blockbook some hotel accommodation which previously was partially blockbooked by an agency of the Government - the local NHS hospital. It appears the owners of the hotel have taken the full blockbooking rather than the partial one.
You may also question why the incompetent Government has trained so few nurses and managed and paid the ones it has trained so poorly that we are having to recruit nurses from abroad and pay for their accommodation at no doubt considerable expense.
It really is time to throw out these incompetents and give a chance to a new Government to resolve some of these ridiculous "save a penny incur a pound cost" ineptitudes so common now in our public services. I saw an ambulance with flashing lights on our streets the other day. I couldn't help wondering why it was not being utilised instead as a mobile ward overflow parked up outside the local hospital with its specialist intervention response crew being used to do the job of nurses.
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Nov 14, 2022 17:40:18 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2022 17:40:18 GMT
The article seems a little different to the headline.
Reading the headline it is easy to think hospital nursing housing blocks such as those from which nurses have been ejected in my home town are being similarly cleared in York for the purpose of housing illegals seeking asylum.
The story though refers to the fact York’s NHS Trust has in the past paid for blocks of rooms in two local hotels for use by immigrant nurses seeking to sit a qualification exam without which certification they cannot be employed in the English NHS.
I wonder if you realised that this is actually a story about one group of wannabe immigrants being displaced by another ?
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Nov 14, 2022 17:45:46 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2022 17:45:46 GMT
The headline is capable of being misinterpreted Pacifico. It seems from reading the article that the Government, largely as a result of its chronic failure to turn around asylum applications in a reasonable time - many are now waiting 3-5 years with their lives in limbo at significant expense to the state as a result of Government incompetence, has offered to blockbook some hotel accommodation which previously was partially blockbooked by an agency of the Government - the local NHS hospital. It appears the owners of the hotel have taken the full blockbooking rather than the partial one. You may also question why the incompetent Government has trained so few nurses and managed and paid the ones it has trained so poorly that we are having to recruit nurses from abroad and pay for their accommodation at no doubt considerable expense. It really is time to throw out these incompetents and give a chance to a new Government to resolve some of these ridiculous "save a penny incur a pound cost" ineptitudes so common now in our public services. Something else probably low under the radar is the abysmal Welsh NHS’s attempt to pillage other country’s health workers. A while ago I admit, the head twat at Cardiff bay was photographed with a 737 load of Spanish nurses flown in to Cardiff airport to fill vacant positions at several south wales hospitals. The picture and story was pushed across two or three local rags. What was not given quite as much of a fanfare was the fact within eight weeks every one of the nurses was back in Spain, at their own expense, their jobs being unsustainable under Welsh labour devolved NHS budgets.
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Nov 14, 2022 18:49:49 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 18:49:49 GMT
The headline is capable of being misinterpreted Pacifico. It seems from reading the article that the Government, largely as a result of its chronic failure to turn around asylum applications in a reasonable time - many are now waiting 3-5 years with their lives in limbo at significant expense to the state as a result of Government incompetence, has offered to blockbook some hotel accommodation which previously was partially blockbooked by an agency of the Government - the local NHS hospital. It appears the owners of the hotel have taken the full blockbooking rather than the partial one. You may also question why the incompetent Government has trained so few nurses and managed and paid the ones it has trained so poorly that we are having to recruit nurses from abroad and pay for their accommodation at no doubt considerable expense. It really is time to throw out these incompetents and give a chance to a new Government to resolve some of these ridiculous "save a penny incur a pound cost" ineptitudes so common now in our public services. I saw an ambulance with flashing lights on our streets the other day. I couldn't help wondering why it was not being utilised instead as a mobile ward overflow parked up outside the local hospital with its specialist intervention response crew being used to do the job of nurses. Christ dappy - try actually replying to what I wrote. Of course the Government is to blame, which is precisely why I said they need to get a grip. As far as the situation needing a new government to sort it out then I would agree - however I suspect we would differ as to who that new government would need to be.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:29:19 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 14, 2022 19:29:19 GMT
Fact
They aren't kicking paying guests out of 5* hotels like the Hilton Hotel Snowdonia, and cancelling millions of pounds worth of lucrative Wedding bookings so they can house 'illegal migrants', for nothing.
These top class venues like the Hilton, notice they aren't using the run down Britannia Hotel chains to house them, to name a few Liverpool Adelphi, Llandudno the not so Grand Hotel, Blackpool Britannia dump hotel, Britannia dump Stoke-on-Trent.
They are using Hilton hotels, Holiday Inns, come on any one else smell a Big fat festering rat?
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Nov 14, 2022 19:43:01 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 14, 2022 19:43:01 GMT
Here goes a Wild theory, I think the UK government have made some sort of unwritten agreement with the UN to allow these illegals to keep swarming the UK, and I think they could be footing part of this financial bill, simply because the UK government aren't accounting for how the £7 million a day bill for illegal migrants is being funded.
Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 maybe us UK tax paying mugs should demand answers who is funding this outrage.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:45:30 GMT
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2022 19:45:30 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now. If the Government dont start getting a grip of this issue and impose some control on the borders people are going to turn their back on mainstream politics and start to vote for more extremist parties... I heard a thing on the radio the other day where it was suggested that the government don't actually want to solve the problem because they can present themselves as the only solution. A bit like Labour does with "Racism" - keep stoking the fires, pretend that everything's racist and that only they can solve the problem. As a theory, it's certainly got legs. Indeed, it's management model in the civil service: To get promoted they have to solve a "Problem", even if they have to invent one in the first place.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:59:50 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2022 19:59:50 GMT
Fact They aren't kicking paying guests out of 5* hotels like the Hilton Hotel Snowdonia, and cancelling millions of pounds worth of lucrative Wedding bookings so they can house 'illegal migrants', for nothing. These top class venues like the Hilton, notice they aren't using the run down Britannia Hotel chains to house them, to name a few Liverpool Adelphi, Llandudno the not so Grand Hotel, Blackpool Britannia dump hotel, Britannia dump Stoke-on-Trent. They are using Hilton hotels, Holiday Inns, come on any one else smell a Big fat festering rat? But they WERE using the Brittania Crossgates and other flagship hotels in that chains list of shame pre covid
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Nov 14, 2022 22:22:26 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 22:22:26 GMT
I heard a thing on the radio the other day where it was suggested that the government don't actually want to solve the problem because they can present themselves as the only solution. If so I think they are playing a rather dangerous game..
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Nov 14, 2022 23:02:29 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 23:02:29 GMT
The cost of funding accommodation for asylum seekers for the first twelve months of their time here (by which time if we had competent government the vast majority of claims would be determined) comes straight out of the overseas aid budget. As this budget is a fixed sum, you could argue it costs UK taxpayers a big fat net zero.
I suspect there is a kernel of truth in Squeezed Middle's theory. Certainly Patel and Rwanda was aimed far more at tabloid headlines than at making a practical difference. Spending 10% of the money wasted on Rwanda would fund enough enough immigration officers to sort the backlog and (if we were competent) save accommodation costs from those judged deserving of asylum and saving all costs of those failing who should be deported. No positive tabloid headlines or photo opportunities there though so of no interest to Patel or Braverman.
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Nov 15, 2022 7:48:17 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2022 7:48:17 GMT
The cost of funding accommodation for asylum seekers for the first twelve months of their time here (by which time if we had competent government the vast majority of claims would be determined) comes straight out of the overseas aid budget. As this budget is a fixed sum, you could argue it costs UK taxpayers a big fat net zero. So who pays for the aid budget?. I'm more than willing for my taxes to help out starving people in Africa who are destitute through no fault of their own - I certainly am unwilling to have my taxes used to keep young Albanian men in the local Holiday Inn with 3 meals a day, wifi and a free phone.
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Nov 15, 2022 10:51:30 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 15, 2022 10:51:30 GMT
Oh I agree Pacifico.
The delays to turning round determining asylum claims are absolutely disgraceful. You have to wonder if it is just simply incompetence by successive Home Secretaries more interested in tabloid headlines than resolving problems. The result is unfairly putting lies in limbo for years, mental health issues and a huge waste of Government money. We should all be outraged.
I agree also that it is absolutely outrageous that Home Office incompetence has inflated a bill that they should be settling from their budgets and not effectively stealing from the poorest people in the world. The decision to cut support for starving desperate people in poor countries from 0.7% to 0.5% was disgraceful enough, to then divert that smaller sum of money from those poor people to pay Home Office bills to hotel owners (tory party donors?) is even more disgraceful.
The reality is that the aid budget of 0.5% is intended to be fixed and hence it matters not to the Government finances whether they spend it on rich hotel owners or poor starving people - the cost is the same) but I agree utterly disgraceful what they are doing.
Time for a change.
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Nov 15, 2022 11:28:07 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 11:28:07 GMT
From the governments point of view foreign aid budget directed to UK hotels must seem fantastic.
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