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Post by dappy on Feb 7, 2024 10:17:57 GMT
I see Truss launched another grouping within the Tory party yesterday. You have to admire her chutzpah for believing she still has a political future after her disastrous time as Prime Minister. The surprising thing is that the likes of Rees Mogg, Anderson and Farage want anything to do with her. It is factual that the policies that the so called "real conservatives" want are basically those that failed so spectacularly in her brief time as PM but seems a bizarre choice to demonstrate that so clearly to an electorate that otherwise may be fooled. Anyone frrom that political viewpoint care to explain?
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Post by Orac on Feb 7, 2024 11:13:31 GMT
dappy, dappy, dappy.
You standing guard over conservatism just doesn't look right
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Post by dappy on Feb 7, 2024 11:28:09 GMT
You are right Orac, I wish them nothing but electoral misery. Normally though I can understand their moves. I struggle with this one. Why associate yourself with a PM the vast majority of the electorate consider an abject failure. Could you explain?
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Post by Orac on Feb 7, 2024 11:56:41 GMT
You are right Orac, I wish them nothing but electoral misery. Normally though I can understand their moves. I struggle with this one. Why associate yourself with a PM the vast majority of the electorate consider an abject failure. Could you explain? It might be a principled and honest stance. If you are left wing, it could well look completely baffling |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 7, 2024 11:57:12 GMT
hard to argue with this...  |
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Post by dappy on Feb 7, 2024 12:12:48 GMT
Can't honestly say I have ever been remotely influenced in my political opinions by a "celebrity" endorsement - whether to left or right. All very odd. She is entitled to her opinions of course. I do wonder if the proles will be overly influenced by the wife of a billionaire former soap star? Bit desperate maybe?
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 7, 2024 12:19:11 GMT
Fake news, froth, twisted truth, false facts, alternative news and conspiracy theories
Thats what Liz Truss and her cronies are all about, they couldn't lie straight in bed because they are so bent.
So everyone who is concerned about the environment is a "left wing extremist" ?, does that include the many Conservative voters who are concerned about the environment, about climate change or our countryside.
Labeling people, putting people into their neat little pigeon holes, anyone who does not fit in with their view of the world.
As David Cameron once said "closet racists and swivel eyed loons"
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Post by Orac on Feb 7, 2024 12:24:52 GMT
You give 'em hell, Witchfinder
In the meantime i will put you down as 'disagreeing'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 13:52:11 GMT
I'm still pretty firmly convinced that Liz Truss was stitched up by the establishment who did everything to undermine and scupper her decisions. To suggest the country almost collapsed because of her and Kwarteng's mini budget is pandering to the pile-on by the Rishi camp, who had already skipped the Tory conference to undermine her position. They plotted to depose her and it all went according to plan with some very suspicious market manipulation.
I hope Rishi loses really badly.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 7, 2024 13:55:52 GMT
I'm still pretty firmly convinced that Liz Truss was stitched up by the establishment who did everything to undermine and scupper her decisions. To suggest the country almost collapsed because of her and Kwarteng's mini budget is pandering to the pile-on by the Rishi camp, who had already skipped the Tory conference to undermine her position. They plotted to depose her and it all went according to plan with some very suspicious market manipulation. I hope Rishi loses really badly. I am much of your opinion. There was no problem with Trussonomics per se it just rocked the establishment boat.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 7, 2024 14:00:58 GMT
You are right Orac, I wish them nothing but electoral misery. Normally though I can understand their moves. I struggle with this one. Why associate yourself with a PM the vast majority of the electorate consider an abject failure. Could you explain? The vast majority don't consider Truss an abject failure ,she wasn't in charge for long enough to be so. Those that were paying attention saw a Conservative with Conservative policies and a plan for growth that the globalists didn't like . They wanted their man Sunak in charge so did all they could to prove him right with interest rate hikes and doom and gloom forecasts . The markets panicked and Truss was marched out of the room The irony of course that after spending a year dismissing Truss's tax cutting policies the first thing Hunt did (brought in to steady the fiscal ship) was , yep , cut taxes . It's necessary for growth he said , the time is right to cut taxes LOL So you could say if Hunt is being held up as the brains behind the current outfit is that Truss was far from a failure but that she was right all along . By the time Hunt has another round of tax cuts this year especially if he cuts corporation tax He will more or less be in the same place Truss was when she left No 10. I need to type quicker ,or stop watching the lunchtime news ,  |
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Post by dappy on Feb 7, 2024 14:02:02 GMT
Obviously that isn't true but even if it were, its not the point.
If the Tories post election want to go down the UKIP/Reform road, they face a massive job persuading the public to back them when the overwhelming public view is that Truss was a disaster.
Surely really odd way of going about it to draw attention to the fact that they and Truss are one and the same?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 7, 2024 14:05:22 GMT
Obviously that isn't true but even if it were, its not the point. If the Tories post election want to go down the UKIP/Reform road, they face a massive job persuading the public to back them when the overwhelming public view is that Truss was a disaster. Surely really odd way of going about it to draw attention to the fact that they and Truss are one and the same? So you're a populist now, dappy? |
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Post by dappy on Feb 7, 2024 14:07:44 GMT
Eh?
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 7, 2024 14:08:02 GMT
Obviously that isn't true but even if it were, its not the point. If the Tories post election want to go down the UKIP/Reform road, they face a massive job persuading the public to back them when the overwhelming public view is that Truss was a disaster. Surely really odd way of going about it to draw attention to the fact that they and Truss are one and the same? Nothing wrong with the policy, just got to work on the timing |
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