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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 17:27:25 GMT
A good thing, in your opinion? Or not? It's unstoppable and, as always, people (town and city populations) will eventually adapt... That's probably 85%+ of the population.
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 17:30:06 GMT
Perhaps the zealots would like to see Formula 1 car racing banned completely or replaced by racing electric cars as an alternative. The zealots might also love to see taking a car out for a pleasure drive banned. Fortunately F1 is going the synthetic 'carbon neutral' fuel route and is looking at hydrogen powered ICE. Becoming more sustainable is a necessity for the sport’s future, particularly for a series that travels the world in the name of sport* and entertainment. The cars may account for just 0.7 percent of F1’s estimated 2019 carbon footprint, but the push for “drop-in” sustainable fuels allows their impact to reach far beyond the track. Here’s how F1 is making changes to what powers the global series.
What are the [F1] regulation changes coming in 2026?
The 2026 engine regulations include more than the introduction of 100 percent sustainable fuels (meaning no new fossil fuel carbon will be released through their production).
• Boost in electrical power: Cars should run with a more robust electrical element and harvest more braking energy, with the MGU-K producing nearly three times the electrical power. The current power unit produces 120 kilowatts of energy with the MGU-K and MGU-H (two components of the energy recovery system); the new ones will reach up to 350 kilowatts.
• Lower fuel loads: Fuel loads have gradually decreased in recent years – from 160 kilograms (about 353 pounds) in 2013 to 100 kilograms (220 pounds) in 2020. That should drop to 70 kilograms (154 pounds) in 2026.
• Decreased costs: Not only will teams face an engine-specific cost cap, but some systems were removed, like the MGU-H, because they lack road relevance. These engine regulations are essentially the sport moving in tandem with the road car industry.
• Vlad A. · Dec 7, 2023 makes the point:
The carbon footprint of an F1 car is absolutely nothing compared to the environmental impact of transporting the whole paddock every week all over the world - all the equipment, modular buildings, furniture, and thousands of staff.
By failing to mention this context and the absence of a tangible plan to bring that part of F1's footprint anywhere close to zero you are actively participating in Liberty Media's 'NET ZERO' deceiving publicity campaign while disguising it as journalism.
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 17:45:12 GMT
Bentley — "I totally agree with you there. It’s just how fast it’s implemented that bothers me ."
Red Rackham — "The key word there being 'eventually'..."
It will disrupt and make things more difficult for many people — especially as many of those implementing and imposing these changes have been caught up in an almost religious fervour that wipes out any consideration of anyone else's circumstances.
Unfortunately, their attitudes will just cause more antipathy to the idea of making this a cleaner and more pleasant world, BUT like other beneficial changes (eg, litter dumping penalities, smoking bans, smokeless fuel restrictions, etc) maybe they can only work if imposed with an iron fist...
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 17:52:14 GMT
Bentley — "I totally agree with you there. It’s just how fast it’s implemented that bothers me ."
Red Rackham — "The key word there being 'eventually'..."It will disrupt and make things more difficult for many people — especially as many of those implementing and imposing these changes have been caught up in an almost religious fervour that wipes out any consideration of anyone else's circumstances. Unfortunately, their attitudes will just cause more antipathy to the idea of making this a cleaner and more pleasant world, BUT like other beneficial changes (eg, litter dumping penalities, smoking bans, smokeless fuel restrictions, etc) maybe they can only work if imposed with an iron fist... Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
Bentley — "I totally agree with you there. It’s just how fast it’s implemented that bothers me ."
Red Rackham — "The key word there being 'eventually'..."It will disrupt and make things more difficult for many people — especially as many of those implementing and imposing these changes have been caught up in an almost religious fervour that wipes out any consideration of anyone else's circumstances. Unfortunately, their attitudes will just cause more antipathy to the idea of making this a cleaner and more pleasant world, BUT like other beneficial changes (eg, litter dumping penalities, smoking bans, smokeless fuel restrictions, etc) maybe they can only work if imposed with an iron fist... Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. I do realise it because, as I listed, I've seen it happen before. It appears to be why cycling though red lights, riding in pedestrian-only areas on push-bikes and on electric cycles and scooters is largely ignored by the authorities in the hopes more people will be attracted to "favoured" modes of transport.
Only in Chislehurst in southeast London have I seen notices on the street pointing out that electric scooters are illegal — and they appeared to have gone a couple of weeks ago...
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 18:05:17 GMT
Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. PP is right about the change being unstoppable, although I would prefer the term 'inevitable'.
Your remarks about 'net zero zealots' could easily be turned round to demonise anti-change guerillas as neo-luddites tilting at the windmills of progress.
But rather than resistance, which will ultimately prove to be futile, wouldn't those energies be better used in campaigning for a better public charging infrastructure (supported by enhanced grid capacity) and a 21st century public transport network?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 8, 2024 18:28:09 GMT
All cars have batteries. Batteries for EVs can be rebuilt, refurbished and repaired. And complete batteries can be sourced from third-party suppliers. These services are already available in the UK** but, as frequently happens, the US is showing the way with even individual cells being supplied to competent and daring DIYers***. And as technologies improve, and competition increases, prices will come down...
There are very few EV's around where it is financially viable to replace the battery - and as for the idea that DIY ers can rebuild one on their drive..  |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 18:33:45 GMT
Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. I do realise it because, as I listed, I've seen it happen before. It appears to be why cycling though red lights, riding in pedestrian-only areas on push-bikes and on electric cycles and scooters is largely ignored by the authorities in the hopes more people will be attracted to "favoured" modes of transport.
Only in Chislehurst in southeast London have I seen notices on the street pointing out that electric scooters are illegal — and they appeared to have gone a couple of weeks ago...
Now you are just babbling l |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 18:41:26 GMT
Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. PP is right about the change being unstoppable, although I would prefer the term 'inevitable'.
Your remarks about 'net zero zealots' could easily be turned round to demonise anti-change guerillas as neo-luddites tilting at the windmills of progress.
But rather than resistance, which will ultimately prove to be futile, wouldn't those energies be better used in campaigning for a better public charging infrastructure (supported by enhanced grid capacity) and a 21st century public transport network?
That’s because you wasn't paying attention . pp posted .”.It's unstoppable and, as always, people (town and city populations) will eventually adapt.” I replied “I totally agree with you there. It’s just how fast it’s implemented that bothers me .” Hardly a post by a “ Luddite “ or even resistance . PP doesn’t have the excuse that he wasn’t paying attention . We should built the infrastructure faster than the implementation . If we don’t and ban ICE vehicles then it’s obvious that governments have been lying and their agenda is to force private vehicles off the road . |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 8, 2024 19:06:11 GMT
No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. Day after day forum members challenge the daft thinking that has led to the Net Zero nonsense we see all around us - your natural reaction is to run away with your fingers in your ears. I have no desire to repeat myself again for the deaf. The lies about Ice cars being greener have been shown, ignored and restated at least 3 times now. The climate change deniers challenged that their only source of information is a blog site . The need to accelerate change faster than the norm explained and ignored. Rinse repeat, is only useful to confirm you are among friends. But a one side only forum soon dies. You may not have noticed but I like so many others hardly bother to post on here anymore. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 19:28:45 GMT
“The need to accelerate change faster than the norm ( whatever the “ norm” is)explained and ignored.”
No it hasn’t.
There have been only excuses based on arguments such as ‘ we started industrialisation first’,
If climate change is imminent and catastrophic then all industrialised nations should be working to net zero at the same rate .
There might be an argument that as the catastrophic affects are imminent and the rest of the world is not racing to become net zero then we should be working towards mitigating the effects rather than crippling the economy.
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 19:29:10 GMT
All cars have batteries. Batteries for EVs can be rebuilt, refurbished and repaired. And complete batteries can be sourced from third-party suppliers. These services are already available in the UK** but, as frequently happens, the US is showing the way with even individual cells being supplied to competent and daring DIYers***. And as technologies improve, and competition increases, prices will come down...
There are very few EV's around where it is financially viable to replace the battery - and as for the idea that DIY ers can rebuild one on their drive.. Here's a driveway installation:
Admittedly, it's in California where the weather is probably more dependable and the DIYer is usually better equipped, but give it a couple of years and I bet there'll be battery shops in the UK undertaking battery rebuilds substantially cutting the price over OEM replacements...
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 19:37:50 GMT
There are very few EV's around where it is financially viable to replace the battery - and as for the idea that DIY ers can rebuild one on their drive.. Here's a driveway installation:
Admittedly, it's in California where the weather is probably more dependable and the DIYer is usually better equipped, but give it a couple of years and I bet there'll be battery shops in the UK undertaking battery rebuilds substantially cutting the price over OEM replacements...
There will probably need to be . |
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Post by Orac on Feb 8, 2024 19:43:16 GMT
Straight out of the net zero zealot handbook. Almost cult like fanaticism.” They are the enemies of a new world that awaits us so they have to be crushed “. And you don’t even realise it ….. PP is right about the change being unstoppable, although I would prefer the term 'inevitable'. Don't be silly. In the same way you are determined to force what you want, someone else can do the same to you. My prediction is that the fiasco will become so bad that it will be turned back - worse case scenario is that heads will get stoved in in the scuffle when people realise the implications and the cramped size of the box car that awaits them I'm not saying it wont be difficult to get it out of the way. Bizarre cults can have an unnatural strength |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2024 7:47:41 GMT
There are very few EV's around where it is financially viable to replace the battery - and as for the idea that DIY ers can rebuild one on their drive.. Here's a driveway installation:
Admittedly, it's in California where the weather is probably more dependable and the DIYer is usually better equipped, but give it a couple of years and I bet there'll be battery shops in the UK undertaking battery rebuilds substantially cutting the price over OEM replacements...
That is a hybrid not an EV. |
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