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Post by Steve on Feb 8, 2024 12:00:44 GMT
Isn't it obvious? The answer would be that IF you accept that a progressive build up of man made carbon emissions are causing a problem then eventually you have to stop that build up (ie net zero) and fossil fuel based ICE don't fit. Note the capitalised 'IF' however FWIW the body of evidence both pro and con does suggest it's probably true Yes I agree Steve but that doesn’t answer the question . You need to apply the “climate change “ dogma to make EV vehicles appealing . On their own merits they cant compete with ICE vehicles . One might decide to become a vegan to save the planet and good for you but when you insist that cabbage is as tasty as Bacon , it reduces your credibility. That's really addressing a different question. But one option they do have is to put £10 of higher a litre tax on fossil fuels for cars while routing the revenue from same into providing a proper charging network. That would be electorally sus but certainly persuade. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 13:14:28 GMT
Yes I agree Steve but that doesn’t answer the question . You need to apply the “climate change “ dogma to make EV vehicles appealing . On their own merits they cant compete with ICE vehicles . One might decide to become a vegan to save the planet and good for you but when you insist that cabbage is as tasty as Bacon , it reduces your credibility. That's really addressing a different question. But one option they do have is to put £10 of higher a litre tax on fossil fuels for cars while routing the revenue from same into providing a proper charging network. That would be electorally sus but certainly persuade. Nope. You addressing a different question . Try again. ”If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future” |
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Post by Steve on Feb 8, 2024 13:17:36 GMT
That's really addressing a different question. But one option they do have is to put £10 of higher a litre tax on fossil fuels for cars while routing the revenue from same into providing a proper charging network. That would be electorally sus but certainly persuade. Nope. You addressing a different question . Try again. ”If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future” OK see what you mean. The real answer is probably then that EVs are not a better option for all car owners and even where they are, some will still want to use ICE for all sorts of reasons (some good, some bad) |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 13:27:03 GMT
Nope. You addressing a different question . Try again. ”If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future” OK see what you mean. The real answer is probably then that EVs are not a better option for all car owners and even where they are, some will still want to use ICE for all sorts of reasons (some good, some bad) I agree and it’s likely that the fossil fuel Green tax that you mentioned will kick in soon after new ICE vehicles are banned . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 13:49:58 GMT
Perhaps the zealots would like to see Formula 1 car racing banned completely or replaced by racing electric cars as an alternative. The zealots might also love to see taking a car out for a pleasure drive banned.
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 14:33:02 GMT
There was talk years ago about the EU making rules about spare parts being of OEM specification. This would have made most cars over 15 years old unrepairable. The classic car mags were up in arms about it but it never actually saw the light of day. In the case of BEVs it's almost irrelevant because the depreciation is so high and the cost of most of the major parts are so high that any failure leads to them being "uneconomic repair". What are these "major parts" that are exclusive to BEVs that make them uneconomic to repair...? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 8, 2024 15:51:47 GMT
There was talk years ago about the EU making rules about spare parts being of OEM specification. This would have made most cars over 15 years old unrepairable. The classic car mags were up in arms about it but it never actually saw the light of day. In the case of BEVs it's almost irrelevant because the depreciation is so high and the cost of most of the major parts are so high that any failure leads to them being "uneconomic repair". What are these "major parts" that are exclusive to BEVs that make them uneconomic to repair...? The battery? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 16:25:22 GMT
Perhaps the zealots would like to see Formula 1 car racing banned completely or replaced by racing electric cars as an alternative. The zealots might also love to see taking a car out for a pleasure drive banned. There's growing pressure to stop all private vehicle use — whether EV or ICE — in town, and there's criticism of the increasing size and weight of most new cars. Also, road and pedestrian space is increasingly being given over to cycle lanes, on-street cycle hangers, and even on-street mini-parks or parklets**.
The blanket imposition of 20mph speed limits, the increasing number of no-through and permit only roads, rising residential on-street parking prices are causing even long-term retired residents to gripe about the multiplying number of restrictions that not only stop them using their cars, but also inhibit deliveries and tradespeople from some areas.
Car-ownership and use is likely to decline in future. Car club and car-pool use is likely grow once the mass of 50-plus car-owning town and city dwellers disappear. Car owning will once again be the prerogative of the better off, which is likely to completely re-shape the car market in the UK...
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 16:30:33 GMT
A good thing, in your opinion? Or not?
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Post by Steve on Feb 8, 2024 16:44:59 GMT
Perhaps the zealots would like to see Formula 1 car racing banned completely or replaced by racing electric cars as an alternative. The zealots might also love to see taking a car out for a pleasure drive banned. Fortunately F1 is going the synthetic 'carbon neutral' fuel route and is looking at hydrogen powered ICE. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 8, 2024 16:53:36 GMT
There's growing pressure to stop all private vehicle use — whether EV or ICE — in town, and there's criticism of the increasing size and weight of most new cars. Also, road and pedestrian space is increasingly being given over to cycle lanes, on-street cycle hangers, and even on-street mini-parks or parklets**.
The blanket imposition of 20mph speed limits, the increasing number of no-through and permit only roads, rising residential on-street parking prices are causing even long-term retired residents to gripe about the multiplying number of restrictions that not only stop them using their cars, but also inhibit deliveries and tradespeople from some areas.
Car-ownership and use is likely to decline in future. Car club and car-pool use is likely grow once the mass of 50-plus car-owning town and city dwellers disappear. Car owning will once again be the prerogative of the better off, which is likely to completely re-shape the car market in the UK...
If you are talking about Hackney then maybe yet unlikely in the rest of the country, they won't vote for that. And will vote out anyone that tries to impose it. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 17:04:28 GMT
What are these "major parts" that are exclusive to BEVs that make them uneconomic to repair...? The battery? All cars have batteries. Batteries for EVs can be rebuilt, refurbished and repaired. And complete batteries can be sourced from third-party suppliers. These services are already available in the UK** but, as frequently happens, the US is showing the way with even individual cells being supplied to competent and daring DIYers***. And as technologies improve, and competition increases, prices will come down...
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 17:07:17 GMT
A good thing, in your opinion? Or not? It's unstoppable and, as always, people (town and city populations) will eventually adapt... |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 17:08:50 GMT
A good thing, in your opinion? Or not? It's unstoppable and, as always, people (town and city populations) will eventually adapt... I totally agree with you there. It’s just how fast it’s implemented that bothers me . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 8, 2024 17:19:54 GMT
A good thing, in your opinion? Or not? It's unstoppable and, as always, people (town and city populations) will eventually adapt... The key word there being 'eventually'... |
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