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Post by zanygame on Feb 7, 2024 20:33:02 GMT
Rinse repeat. It’s so boring. The net zero zealots evasion , you mean? No I mean its been discussed and answered a dozen times and never moves on. Which thinking about it describes this whole bloody forum. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 7, 2024 20:52:22 GMT
The net zero zealots evasion , you mean? No I mean its been discussed and answered a dozen times and never moves on. Which thinking about it describes this whole bloody forum. It hadn’t been answered at all. We’ve had denial and semantics . We’ve had the “ let them eat cake “ argument . We’ve had the chicken little argument but what we haven’t had from the net zero zealots is an answer. If EVs were an improvement to the buyer than ICE vehicles then there would be no need to ban them . You can’t refute it so you try to dismiss it . |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 7, 2024 20:57:22 GMT
No I mean its been discussed and answered a dozen times and never moves on. Which thinking about it describes this whole bloody forum. It hadn’t been answered at all. We’ve had denial and semantics . We’ve had the “ let them eat cake “ argument . We’ve had the chicken little argument but what we haven’t had from the net zero zealots is an answer. If EVs were an improvement to the buyer than ICE vehicles then there would be no need to ban them . You can’t refute it so you try to dismiss it . The denial and semantics are the answers. denying them is just avoiding them. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 7, 2024 20:59:20 GMT
It hadn’t been answered at all. We’ve had denial and semantics . We’ve had the “ let them eat cake “ argument . We’ve had the chicken little argument but what we haven’t had from the net zero zealots is an answer. If EVs were an improvement to the buyer than ICE vehicles then there would be no need to ban them . You can’t refute it so you try to dismiss it . The denial and semantics are the answers. denying them is just avoiding them. But they are not . They are avoiding the question . The zealots do it because they can’t face the answer . |
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Post by Steve on Feb 7, 2024 21:15:27 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? Isn't it obvious? The answer would be that IF you accept that a progressive build up of man made carbon emissions are causing a problem then eventually you have to stop that build up (ie net zero) and fossil fuel based ICE don't fit. Note the capitalised 'IF' however FWIW the body of evidence both pro and con does suggest it's probably true |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 7, 2024 21:30:46 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? Isn't it obvious? The answer would be that IF you accept that a progressive build up of man made carbon emissions are causing a problem then eventually you have to stop that build up (ie net zero) and fossil fuel based ICE don't fit. Note the capitalised 'IF' however FWIW the body of evidence both pro and con does suggest it's probably true Yes I agree Steve but that doesn’t answer the question . You need to apply the “climate change “ dogma to make EV vehicles appealing . On their own merits they cant compete with ICE vehicles . One might decide to become a vegan to save the planet and good for you but when you insist that cabbage is as tasty as Bacon , it reduces your credibility. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 7, 2024 23:11:32 GMT
The net zero zealots evasion , you mean? No I mean its been discussed and answered a dozen times and never moves on. Which thinking about it describes this whole bloody forum. So if the thinking on the forum agreed with you it would be a good forum? echo chambers anyone? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 8, 2024 7:33:44 GMT
No I mean its been discussed and answered a dozen times and never moves on. Which thinking about it describes this whole bloody forum. So if the thinking on the forum agreed with you it would be a good forum? echo chambers anyone? No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 8, 2024 7:44:56 GMT
So if the thinking on the forum agreed with you it would be a good forum? echo chambers anyone? No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. LOL all I see is the discussing of how politics has failed the electorate, past, present and future. While some are desperate to introduce new failures and others are obsessed with past ones. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 8, 2024 7:51:28 GMT
So if the thinking on the forum agreed with you it would be a good forum? echo chambers anyone? No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. Day after day forum members challenge the daft thinking that has led to the Net Zero nonsense we see all around us - your natural reaction is to run away with your fingers in your ears. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 8:40:59 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? The same reason that diversity needs to be enforced, because it's good for you  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 8:48:48 GMT
So if the thinking on the forum agreed with you it would be a good forum? echo chambers anyone? No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. The problem is zany that by challenging the thinking on EVs you are threatening one of the key elements in the standard ideological package subscribed to by many if not most members here. It's almost as damaging in their view as challenging Brexit. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 8, 2024 8:52:27 GMT
No, if the forum thought and challenged the thinking it would be a good forum. The problem is zany that by challenging the thinking on EVs you are threatening one of the key elements in the standard ideological package subscribed to by many if not most members here. It's almost as damaging in their view as challenging Brexit. Great excuse to run away - well done..  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 8, 2024 8:54:44 GMT
Still here as you can see.
And if anyone posts something new or interesting on the topic then I'll be adding my twopenorth worth. If they don't, I won't.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2024 10:54:55 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? The same reason that diversity needs to be enforced, because it's good for you At least you are honest. We’ve had one flatly denying that ICE cars are going to be banned and using semantics to support it and another just whines when it’s mentioned . |
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