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Post by patman post on Feb 13, 2024 17:39:43 GMT
What is a ‘standard car’ steve I wonder if they mean ‘one we have not yet defined as residual by reason of its age’ That’s what they’re saying after all In black and white Once it gets to 15 years old, we will define it as residual Surely a standard car is one made by a manufacturer after getting type approval And I can't see those who love their ICE vehicles — whether modern classics or old bangers — disappearing without trace.
For example, here are sites offering spares to help keep Austin Sevens and Morris Minors on the road...
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 17:50:01 GMT
Yes - but the issue you cited was environmental. The helicopter is not electric powered in consideration of Mars' environment or livability. There is (in human terms) virtually no atmosphere and practically no oxygen at all on Mars. It might help if you reviewed and reiterated the point you felt you made regarding the helicopter. I feel that my posts about the uses electric vehicles are, and will be, put to are more relevant than excursions into rubbish and illegal fly tipping — but I guess I don't have the benefit/distraction of a grasshopper mind to take me there...
PS — Apologies, I forgot your butterfly nets...
I feel there's room for both. Electric vehicles exploring Mars is interesting, though possibly off topic in a thread on Old Ice vehicles. Off topic. I think if we ever get to live off earth it will be on a series of manmade planetoids in the same orbit as Earth around the sun. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2024 18:10:21 GMT
Surely a standard car is one made by a manufacturer after getting type approval And I can't see those who love their ICE vehicles — whether modern classics or old bangers — disappearing without trace.
For example, here are sites offering spares to help keep Austin Sevens and Morris Minors on the road...
I agree, that London to Brighton vintage car run won't disappear and those are far far older than those cars. But the fuel will become prohibitively taxed and/or replaced with synthetic fuel that'll make them very limited use. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 13, 2024 20:18:23 GMT
And I can't see those who love their ICE vehicles — whether modern classics or old bangers — disappearing without trace.
For example, here are sites offering spares to help keep Austin Sevens and Morris Minors on the road...
I agree, that London to Brighton vintage car run won't disappear and those are far far older than those cars. But the fuel will become prohibitively taxed and/or replaced with synthetic fuel that'll make them very limited use. I have read that Saudi and UAE have gone over to the BRICs with other countries too so fossil fuels may become more expensive in the 3-10 year span making them much dearer to run. Fortunately despite the rabid ideologues of the Left we normally select the middle way yet you can't take it for granted and the imposition of the 20mph limit on most residential roads in Wales is a warning of what could happen. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 13, 2024 23:57:10 GMT
Zany world deals in REAL NUMBERS. Not clickbait youtube videos, picking nominal cases and pretending they are every day occurences The average car journey is less than 30 miles. Only 1% of journeys are more than 100 miles There are currently more than 20 models of cars with ranges of more than 200 miles. . The average driver only needs to charge their EV once a week. This range increases annually. By 2030 its estimated that it will around 400 miles for the average car Battery prices have fallen by 20% since 2010 and continue to do so. EV's produce only 30% green house gasses of ICE vehicles over their life time, including manufacture and battery production. This 30% is falling as more electricity production is decarbonised. Most batteries come with 100,000 mile warranties. Thousands of EV's are NOT being written off due to battery costs. Battery replacement cost 0.008% of total repair prices.  Insurance claims are higher at the moment due to a lack of garages capable of repairing EV cars. This will of course change as we go forward. So stop making shit up and discuss the real numbers. Jogworld deals with reality If the bank's servers die the cashless society the government is demanding will start to riot. Not wishing to see Porsches burn in the street the entire IT Crash Team are ready to roll on receipt of a WhatsApp or cascade voice call. The shortest travel distance for the front line team member from their home address to a faulty server is about ten and a half miles. The longest is twenty. The second level 'oh fuck it's really broken HELP' team are all on secure VPN access from actual office space not the dining table at most a flight of stairs from living areas in our houses. BUT the reason I'm paid so much is I'm also part of the THIRD level of FUCK we're IN TROUBLE NOW the VPN is DEAD disaster recovery team. The Fully 4WD Dacia Duster sits on my drive facing the road and never, ever has less diesel in its tank than would be needed to get me from Newport to our furthest server site - in SCOTLAND without stopping, flat out, in winter at -10 at 2am Because that's when shit happens. And if you want to know why twenty guys (ok guys and girls) stand ready to roll 24/7/365 to deal with that shit in thunder lightning and hellfire only just short ov volcanic eruption ask NatWest how customers react when they don't. These are the realities of IT support of critical systems in the real world. At those temperatures I'd need the 4WD to bounce dead EV's into the gutter to get past Our IT Director has a Tesla. He isn't on the crash team rota. His job is to get to a warm tv studio to bullshit people their money is safe |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 14, 2024 7:35:56 GMT
Zany world deals in REAL NUMBERS. Not clickbait youtube videos, picking nominal cases and pretending they are every day occurences The average car journey is less than 30 miles. Only 1% of journeys are more than 100 miles There are currently more than 20 models of cars with ranges of more than 200 miles. . The average driver only needs to charge their EV once a week. This range increases annually. By 2030 its estimated that it will around 400 miles for the average car Battery prices have fallen by 20% since 2010 and continue to do so. EV's produce only 30% green house gasses of ICE vehicles over their life time, including manufacture and battery production. This 30% is falling as more electricity production is decarbonised. Most batteries come with 100,000 mile warranties. Thousands of EV's are NOT being written off due to battery costs. Battery replacement cost 0.008% of total repair prices. Insurance claims are higher at the moment due to a lack of garages capable of repairing EV cars. This will of course change as we go forward. So stop making shit up and discuss the real numbers. Jogworld deals with reality If the bank's servers die the cashless society the government is demanding will start to riot. Not wishing to see Porsches burn in the street the entire IT Crash Team are ready to roll on receipt of a WhatsApp or cascade voice call. The shortest travel distance for the front line team member from their home address to a faulty server is about ten and a half miles. The longest is twenty. The second level 'oh fuck it's really broken HELP' team are all on secure VPN access from actual office space not the dining table at most a flight of stairs from living areas in our houses. BUT the reason I'm paid so much is I'm also part of the THIRD level of FUCK we're IN TROUBLE NOW the VPN is DEAD disaster recovery team. The Fully 4WD Dacia Duster sits on my drive facing the road and never, ever has less diesel in its tank than would be needed to get me from Newport to our furthest server site - in SCOTLAND without stopping, flat out, in winter at -10 at 2am Because that's when shit happens. And if you want to know why twenty guys (ok guys and girls) stand ready to roll 24/7/365 to deal with that shit in thunder lightning and hellfire only just short ov volcanic eruption ask NatWest how customers react when they don't. These are the realities of IT support of critical systems in the real world. At those temperatures I'd need the 4WD to bounce dead EV's into the gutter to get past Our IT Director has a Tesla. He isn't on the crash team rota. His job is to get to a warm tv studio to bullshit people their money is safe The exception that proves the rule. Though I'm surprised they only have one of you to cover the country, that you can't act remotely, that they would fly you. I'm also frankly surprised you don't have a company car that's better than a Dacia duster if they need you to be so reliable. What do they do if you are ill? |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 10:47:02 GMT
Maybe they give John a £££ allowance but he has to provide a 4WD to get it and he chooses the excellent value for money Duster.
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Post by patman post on Feb 14, 2024 11:40:47 GMT
Jogworld deals with reality If the bank's servers die the cashless society the government is demanding will start to riot. Not wishing to see Porsches burn in the street the entire IT Crash Team are ready to roll on receipt of a WhatsApp or cascade voice call. The shortest travel distance for the front line team member from their home address to a faulty server is about ten and a half miles. The longest is twenty. The second level 'oh fuck it's really broken HELP' team are all on secure VPN access from actual office space not the dining table at most a flight of stairs from living areas in our houses. BUT the reason I'm paid so much is I'm also part of the THIRD level of FUCK we're IN TROUBLE NOW the VPN is DEAD disaster recovery team. The Fully 4WD Dacia Duster sits on my drive facing the road and never, ever has less diesel in its tank than would be needed to get me from Newport to our furthest server site - in SCOTLAND without stopping, flat out, in winter at -10 at 2am Because that's when shit happens. And if you want to know why twenty guys (ok guys and girls) stand ready to roll 24/7/365 to deal with that shit in thunder lightning and hellfire only just short ov volcanic eruption ask NatWest how customers react when they don't. These are the realities of IT support of critical systems in the real world. At those temperatures I'd need the 4WD to bounce dead EV's into the gutter to get past Our IT Director has a Tesla. He isn't on the crash team rota. His job is to get to a warm tv studio to bullshit people their money is safe The exception that proves the rule. Though I'm surprised they only have one of you to cover the country, that you can't act remotely, that they would fly you. I'm also frankly surprised you don't have a company car that's better than a Dacia duster if they need you to be so reliable. What do they do if you are ill? I suspect JoG has a driver — if I remember his past posts about his health and eyesight correctly, they suggest a minimum 7hr 390mile drive could prove exhausting, if not dangerous...
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Post by zanygame on Feb 14, 2024 19:52:52 GMT
Maybe they give John a £££ allowance but he has to provide a 4WD to get it and he chooses the excellent value for money Duster. High risk strategy for such an important player. The guy who has to get from one end of the country to the other to prevent civil war. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 14, 2024 20:16:09 GMT
Maybe they give John a £££ allowance but he has to provide a 4WD to get it and he chooses the excellent value for money Duster. High risk strategy for such an important player. The guy who has to get from one end of the country to the other to prevent civil war. Maybe he really really cares . |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 14, 2024 20:49:41 GMT
High risk strategy for such an important player. The guy who has to get from one end of the country to the other to prevent civil war. Maybe he really really cares . That's not how big companies work. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 22:54:33 GMT
Maybe he really really cares . That's not how big companies work. I worked for two big companies and both gave a ££ allowance in lieu of a car, only requiring that the car had to be not over 10 years old. In general I'd say if offered always take the allowance, never take the car. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 7:48:30 GMT
The whole electric/ICE/old/new argument is null. The real story is that personal transport is being abolished. Full stop.
It's not about the environment. It's about control.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 7:54:27 GMT
The whole electric/ICE/old/new argument is null. The real story is that personal transport is being abolished. Full stop. It's not about the environment. It's about control. Oh goody another conspiracy theory. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 7:56:42 GMT
The whole electric/ICE/old/new argument is null. The real story is that personal transport is being abolished. Full stop. It's not about the environment. It's about control. Oh goody another conspiracy theory. Try leaving your ivory tower and look at what's actually going on. |
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