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Post by dappy on Jan 29, 2024 14:15:59 GMT
I doubt frankly if a BBC reporter said what you said they did.
Meanwhile the claim of the German President calling for a loyalty pledge is contained in your title and first line of your OP. He has done no such think. You lied.
If you report of the musings of some boke called Ralph Schoellhammer is accurate, I am quite happy to remain blissfully ignorant of the rest of the silly old fools musings.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 29, 2024 14:18:21 GMT
Lots of words Sandy, but no substance. Its opinion rather than fact , so unlike Steppenwolf's opening inaccurate factual post, it is legitimate to post but lacks any detail. So perhaps you could give me three examples of when "the establishment" have acted in a way that is deliberately "anti-British"? Large scale immigration specifically against the clearly stated will of the British people. The race laws that actively work to ensure the British people cannot operate in their own defence if they so wished and that favour 'minorities' in terms of employment. OBV is an example of a minority group that can work for minorities within the legal framework of these laws but which are illegal for British people to operate in their own protection. The promotion of the Multicultural state as a preference for the UK never proposed as a policy by any party. I will give you a fourth. The deliberate denigration of British history, icons and heroes to create a disillusion with those coming through in the education system. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 29, 2024 14:26:51 GMT
Ah typical, roll out of the word "shameful" in a sad attempt to win an argument lol. Please prove me wrong, provide me with a post where you have talked about the great things that the UK / capitalism has achieved? While you are at it, show us where you have posted anything about a positive vision of the future, instead of "grrr evil tories picking on the working class". And your comment about Goebbels proved my point, you are just too thick to see it hahaha. I must have dreamt Emily Thornberry losing her job for mocking somebody flying an English flag DURING THE WORLD CUP hahaha. Neil Coyle didn't call Brexit voters "fat old racists" and "shitbag racist wankers"? Clive Lewis didn't say "racism was to blame for Brexit"? David Lammy didn't compare Brexiteers to Nazis either? lol.... I could literally list another dozen Labour MPs calling people Nazis. I think you owe me an apology for your "shamefully" slander. 1. There was no argument to be won, your posted accusations were extreme and unprovable. And IMO were a shameful attack on many people who will have no way of challenging you on your comment. 2. & 3. Most of my time is spent on being objective about situations or in negating the lies, insinuated lies and general derogation that is used by some Righties on this Forum. 4. Silliness that exists in your posts, that have absolutely nothing to do with me or my political stance, expanded to the point of insults which is so typical of the language used by so many Righties on this Forum. YOU DO owe me an apology. As I thought, you cannot show us one post were you are push a positive vision instead of grrr evil Tories lol. I'm not right wing, I'm left of centre (Social Democrat), as displayed countless times when I call for a grown up conversation on funding public services. I backed up my point about people jumping to the Nazi label... and you ignored it hahahaha. Pathetic. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 29, 2024 14:33:55 GMT
Lots of words Sandy, but no substance. Its opinion rather than fact , so unlike Steppenwolf's opening inaccurate factual post, it is legitimate to post but lacks any detail. So perhaps you could give me three examples of when "the establishment" have acted in a way that is deliberately "anti-British"? Large scale immigration specifically against the clearly stated will of the British people. The race laws that actively work to ensure the British people cannot operate in their own defence if they so wished and that favour 'minorities' in terms of employment. OBV is an example of a minority group that can work for minorities within the legal framework of these laws but which are illegal for British people to operate in their own protection. The promotion of the Multicultural state as a preference for the UK never proposed as a policy by any party. I will give you a fourth. The deliberate denigration of British history, icons and heroes to create a disillusion with those coming through in the education system. Your claim was that "the establishment" acted in a way that was "deliberately anti-British". Whatever your personal views, what evidence do you have that the "establishment" - presumably the Government at the time - have taken all their decisions in what they consider the best interests of the country. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 29, 2024 20:03:10 GMT
Large scale immigration specifically against the clearly stated will of the British people. The race laws that actively work to ensure the British people cannot operate in their own defence if they so wished and that favour 'minorities' in terms of employment. OBV is an example of a minority group that can work for minorities within the legal framework of these laws but which are illegal for British people to operate in their own protection. The promotion of the Multicultural state as a preference for the UK never proposed as a policy by any party. I will give you a fourth. The deliberate denigration of British history, icons and heroes to create a disillusion with those coming through in the education system. Your claim was that "the establishment" acted in a way that was "deliberately anti-British". Whatever your personal views, what evidence do you have that the "establishment" - presumably the Government at the time - have taken all their decisions in what they consider the best interests of the country. The establishment I broadly defined as those with power, how that power is held and how it is wielded are moot points but power exists outside and over and above government to which government has an ear and acts willingly or unwillingly at its behest to greater or lesser degrees. Just some examples would be lobby groups whose threats and blandishments we know not, finance incentives which we know happens, civil service opposition and blocking which we also know happens, foreign diplomatic pressure, real and imagined threats, WEF (who boast a lot as regards what they have done and can do) and foundations like Blair's. What I actually said was "there is a tendency to be very anti-British and offer support to those who see Britain as some form of malign influence upon the world in general." I then produced evidence to why that view has legs and what has happened has now led to this position. A tendency does not mean every act is deliberate it means that when acts are undertaken if the outcome is anti-British that is not seen as a problem What are the best interests of the country in a democracy is it defined as broadly what parties do what they say they will do or is it always acting in what they see as the best interests of the country irrespective of what they intimated those best interests were when seeking election to place their views into effect. They are leant power to deal with the unforeseen and act freely, they are not leant power to act freely in all things. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 29, 2024 20:30:41 GMT
It does lead to a wider conversation on identity. The majority left/middle is pushing self-hate of our history, and peddling victimhood, whilst saying pride in ones nation makes you a Nazi. The growing Muslims population is going to bring back problems of the past, where large numbers of people identify by religion, not by nationality. Personally, I think we need to bring back national service pronto, and use that and other methods to try to build back up a sense of national identity. If we do nothing, we will continue to divide ourselves, and become weaker and weaker... and history has shown what happens then... the once great civilisation collapses and is conquered. Sadly, I think we're already way past that point. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 30, 2024 8:00:19 GMT
I doubt frankly if a BBC reporter said what you said they did. Meanwhile the claim of the German President calling for a loyalty pledge is contained in your title and first line of your OP. He has done no such think. You lied. If you report of the musings of some boke called Ralph Schoellhammer is accurate, I am quite happy to remain blissfully ignorant of the rest of the silly old fools musings. You're the most pointless poster on this forum dappy. The German president addressed muslims and said ""Don't let yourselves be instrumentalized by Hamas! Speak up for yourselves! Say no to terror!". That's on record - you can find many articles on this. Mishal Hussein rejected this as asking muslims to give a ";oyalty pledge" to reject anti-semitism which she said was nothing to do with muslims. She rejects that muslims are over-represented in anti-semitism or terrorism. She has often used Today to say such things. Obviously the fact that 90% of terrorism is perpetrated by muslims is nothing to do with their religion. Even the archbishop of Canterbury has said that it can no longer be denied that Islam is connected with terrorism. You can debate whether this is true or not but the facts are exactly as I stated. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 30, 2024 8:57:53 GMT
1. There was no argument to be won, your posted accusations were extreme and unprovable. And IMO were a shameful attack on many people who will have no way of challenging you on your comment. 2. & 3. Most of my time is spent on being objective about situations or in negating the lies, insinuated lies and general derogation that is used by some Righties on this Forum. 4. Silliness that exists in your posts, that have absolutely nothing to do with me or my political stance, expanded to the point of insults which is so typical of the language used by so many Righties on this Forum. YOU DO owe me an apology. As I thought, you cannot show us one post were you are push a positive vision instead of grrr evil Tories lol. I'm not right wing, I'm left of centre (Social Democrat), as displayed countless times when I call for a grown up conversation on funding public services. I backed up my point about people jumping to the Nazi label... and you ignored it hahahaha. Pathetic. You cannot show me one of my posts where I have posted in anything but an objective way about the Tories, so your question and the insinuation it bears is just nasty. I can only go on your posts, and the times you have knocked New Labour when NL was clearly Center-Left. My post made it very clear that your earlier comment was very extreme, impossible to prove and belonged in the dishonest propaganda section of human politics. That's the reality. I have voted once for the Conservative party in the last five years. It's time for your posts to stop distorting reality. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 30, 2024 9:01:33 GMT
It does lead to a wider conversation on identity. The majority left/middle is pushing self-hate of our history, and peddling victimhood, whilst saying pride in ones nation makes you a Nazi. The growing Muslims population is going to bring back problems of the past, where large numbers of people identify by religion, not by nationality. Personally, I think we need to bring back national service pronto, and use that and other methods to try to build back up a sense of national identity. If we do nothing, we will continue to divide ourselves, and become weaker and weaker... and history has shown what happens then... the once great civilisation collapses and is conquered. Sadly, I think we're already way past that point. Why are you agreeing with such utter unprovable nonsense? |
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Post by dappy on Jan 30, 2024 9:17:09 GMT
I doubt frankly if a BBC reporter said what you said they did. Meanwhile the claim of the German President calling for a loyalty pledge is contained in your title and first line of your OP. He has done no such think. You lied. If you report of the musings of some boke called Ralph Schoellhammer is accurate, I am quite happy to remain blissfully ignorant of the rest of the silly old fools musings. You're the most pointless poster on this forum dappy. The German president addressed muslims and said ""Don't let yourselves be instrumentalized by Hamas! Speak up for yourselves! Say no to terror!". That's on record - you can find many articles on this. Mishal Hussein rejected this as asking muslims to give a ";oyalty pledge" to reject anti-semitism which she said was nothing to do with muslims. She rejects that muslims are over-represented in anti-semitism or terrorism. She has often used Today to say such things. Obviously the fact that 90% of terrorism is perpetrated by muslims is nothing to do with their religion. Even the archbishop of Canterbury has said that it can no longer be denied that Islam is connected with terrorism. You can debate whether this is true or not but the facts are exactly as I stated. Once again your thread title and the first line of your OP claimed that the German President was calling for muslim people to make a "loyalty pledge". No such call was made, as the article you linked made crystal clear. You lied. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 30, 2024 10:27:22 GMT
Sadly, I think we're already way past that point. Why are you agreeing with such utter unprovable nonsense? It's actually common knowledge. George Orwell even knew it. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 30, 2024 14:21:26 GMT
As I thought, you cannot show us one post were you are push a positive vision instead of grrr evil Tories lol. I'm not right wing, I'm left of centre (Social Democrat), as displayed countless times when I call for a grown up conversation on funding public services. I backed up my point about people jumping to the Nazi label... and you ignored it hahahaha. Pathetic. You cannot show me one of my posts where I have posted in anything but an objective way about the Tories, so your question and the insinuation it bears is just nasty. I can only go on your posts, and the times you have knocked New Labour when NL was clearly Center-Left. My post made it very clear that your earlier comment was very extreme, impossible to prove and belonged in the dishonest propaganda section of human politics. That's the reality. I have voted once for the Conservative party in the last five years. It's time for your posts to stop distorting reality. I have clearly said many times that I voted for Blair three times lol. I also said that he was right to go into Iraq... the only thing he did wrong in my eyes was not to sort out Iran as well... who are now 5 months away from having nukes! My post was 100% accurate, the current crop of lefties are peddling victimhood and shame. If you had any contact with our young people you would see that lol. I also linked WORD DIRECT FROM THE MOUTHS of the current crop of Labour MPs... who seek to win arguments by shouting racist / nazi... and you tried to pass it off as fake news lol. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 30, 2024 19:05:25 GMT
Why are you agreeing with such utter unprovable nonsense? It's actually common knowledge. George Orwell even knew it. Good, then I expect you to prove that nonsense. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 30, 2024 19:13:00 GMT
You cannot show me one of my posts where I have posted in anything but an objective way about the Tories, so your question and the insinuation it bears is just nasty. I can only go on your posts, and the times you have knocked New Labour when NL was clearly Center-Left. My post made it very clear that your earlier comment was very extreme, impossible to prove and belonged in the dishonest propaganda section of human politics. That's the reality. I have voted once for the Conservative party in the last five years. It's time for your posts to stop distorting reality. I have clearly said many times that I voted for Blair three times lol. I also said that he was right to go into Iraq... the only thing he did wrong in my eyes was not to sort out Iran as well... who are now 5 months away from having nukes! My post was 100% accurate, the current crop of lefties are peddling victimhood and shame. If you had any contact with our young people you would see that lol. I also linked WORD DIRECT FROM THE MOUTHS of the current crop of Labour MPs... who seek to win arguments by shouting racist / nazi... and you tried to pass it off as fake news lol. You originally posted "The majority left/middle is pushing self-hate of our history, and peddling victimhood, whilst saying pride in ones nation makes you a Nazi." |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 31, 2024 1:40:54 GMT
I have clearly said many times that I voted for Blair three times lol. I also said that he was right to go into Iraq... the only thing he did wrong in my eyes was not to sort out Iran as well... who are now 5 months away from having nukes! My post was 100% accurate, the current crop of lefties are peddling victimhood and shame. If you had any contact with our young people you would see that lol. I also linked WORD DIRECT FROM THE MOUTHS of the current crop of Labour MPs... who seek to win arguments by shouting racist / nazi... and you tried to pass it off as fake news lol. You originally posted "The majority left/middle is pushing self-hate of our history, and peddling victimhood, whilst saying pride in ones nation makes you a Nazi." Do you actually read what people write, because quite often your replies are just confusing because it is like you misunderstand literally everything. It is like you read everything with a negative filter on lol. 1) Pushing self-hate of history - teaching our kids that they should be ashamed of what they have now because it is of a result of colonialism and slavery... and pushing the disgusting "white privilege" narrative. 2) Peddling victimhood - telling our kids that they are disadvantaged because of their age / race / sex / sexuality / religion / social class. We have told one in nine of children that they have a disability ffs. We have gone from telling children they can achieve anything if they work hard... to making them field the system is stacked against them... it is not healthy. 3) I've already addressed how people seek to label people Nazis in order to cancel their arguments.... and linked how the current crop of Labour MPs resort to this low-brow tactic. |
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