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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 22:11:57 GMT
You ask why we need a bigger army, but we dont have an army at the moment. Anything less than 100,000 troops is considered to be a defence force rather than an army which is why the US are quite rightly questioning our military capability. Dappy, are you being intentionally dim? The reason army recruitment numbers are one third down is because Capita on behalf of the MoD are not recruiting from their biggest audience. Have you seen an army poster or advert lately? The message is not exactly subtle. I am not interested in terminology Red. I have asked you a couple of times what threat you perceive that would justify doubling the size of the army. You haven’t responded. I am beginning to think that reality may tell the story. I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about on the race thing. I can’t honestly say I watch them closely but I have seen nothing in the TV ads that would deter anyone (come to think of it they may have been navy but I believe they have the same problem. Could you give me an example? Dappy, you're begining to get annoying. I have already stated that we do not have an army. The minimum size of an army is 100,000 troops, and believe me that is a very small army. We currently have c70,000 troops of which probably no more than half are combat ready. Global tensions suggest we are entering a dangerous period at a time when we have the smallest 'army' for 200 years yet the MoD focus on recruiting minorities, as do the police, fire & rescue etc etc. It's the trendy approach. You will as ever pretend you have no knowledge of this. Fair enough. I'm not getting on your Dappy-go-round. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 22:13:54 GMT
I come from a military family. I've lived on army bases. My Grandfather was a soldier for nearly 50 years. It's not a job I would ever have wanted to do though. I like my freedom. And the reason you have freedom is because young men volunteered to join the army. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 22:31:04 GMT
If you constantly refuse to target your core market then it's no surprise you cannot recruit enough people - turning away working class white boys in favour of Muslim immigrants is not a recipe for success.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 22, 2024 23:19:53 GMT
If you constantly refuse to target your core market then it's no surprise you cannot recruit enough people - turning away working class white boys in favour of Muslim immigrants is not a recipe for success. If they are turning away working class white boys they can't be that desperate for recruits. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 0:02:02 GMT
If you constantly refuse to target your core market then it's no surprise you cannot recruit enough people - turning away working class white boys in favour of Muslim immigrants is not a recipe for success. If they are turning away working class white boys they can't be that desperate for recruits. Seriously? For Christ sake Monte get with the programme. The important thing is hitting diversity targets. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 23, 2024 0:19:43 GMT
I am not interested in terminology Red. I have asked you a couple of times what threat you perceive that would justify doubling the size of the army. You haven’t responded. I am beginning to think that reality may tell the story. I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about on the race thing. I can’t honestly say I watch them closely but I have seen nothing in the TV ads that would deter anyone (come to think of it they may have been navy but I believe they have the same problem. Could you give me an example? Dappy, you're begining to get annoying. I have already stated that we do not have an army. The minimum size of an army is 100,000 troops, and believe me that is a very small army. We currently have c70,000 troops of which probably no more than half are combat ready. Global tensions suggest we are entering a dangerous period at a time when we have the smallest 'army' for 200 years yet the MoD focus on recruiting minorities, as do the police, fire & rescue etc etc. It's the trendy approach. You will as ever pretend you have no knowledge of this. Fair enough. I'm not getting on your Dappy-go-round. But I keep on asking you to list a credible threat to this country that may require a bigger army/defence force/whatever you want to call it and you haven’t listed one. We both seem to agree it’s not Russia. So what is it - you have acknowledged that more troops is expensive - what exactly are they required for. I have asked also for some evidence that suitable white men are rejected from the army. Again you haven’t. It would be a very odd thing to do given that they can’t fill their vacancies. With respect it does seem that suggestion is just a figment of your imagination. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 23, 2024 0:28:18 GMT
If they are turning away working class white boys they can't be that desperate for recruits. Seriously? For Christ sake Monte get with the programme. The important thing is hitting diversity targets. Don't be ridiculous. If the brass are desperate for recruits they won't turn anyone away. If they are pushing to recruit women and and minorities then it shows there aren't enough white men applying. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 0:28:39 GMT
Dappy, you're begining to get annoying. I have already stated that we do not have an army. The minimum size of an army is 100,000 troops, and believe me that is a very small army. We currently have c70,000 troops of which probably no more than half are combat ready. Global tensions suggest we are entering a dangerous period at a time when we have the smallest 'army' for 200 years yet the MoD focus on recruiting minorities, as do the police, fire & rescue etc etc. It's the trendy approach. You will as ever pretend you have no knowledge of this. Fair enough. I'm not getting on your Dappy-go-round. But I keep on asking you to list a credible threat to this country that may require a bigger army/defence force/whatever you want to call it and you haven’t listed one. We both seem to agree it’s not Russia. So what is it - you have acknowledged that more troops is expensive - what exactly are they required for. I have asked also for some evidence that suitable white men are rejected from the army. Again you haven’t. It would be a very odd thing to do given that they can’t fill their vacancies. With respect it does seem that suggestion is just a figment of your imagination. Dappy, I don't know what threats we may face. The Chief of the General Staff doesn't know what threats we may face. The very reason we need professional armed forces is because we don't know what tomorrow may bring. The problem with war is the protagonists rarely advertise their intentions in advance. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 0:32:08 GMT
Seriously? For Christ sake Monte get with the programme. The important thing is hitting diversity targets. Don't be ridiculous. If the brass are desperate for recruits they won't turn anyone away. If they are pushing to recruit women and and minorities then it shows there aren't enough white men applying. Are you really this naive? Royal Air Force unlawfully discriminated against white male recruits in bid to boost diversity - link
Monte, it's not a secret. If you're white get to the back of the queue. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 23, 2024 1:09:44 GMT
But I keep on asking you to list a credible threat to this country that may require a bigger army/defence force/whatever you want to call it and you haven’t listed one. We both seem to agree it’s not Russia. So what is it - you have acknowledged that more troops is expensive - what exactly are they required for. I have asked also for some evidence that suitable white men are rejected from the army. Again you haven’t. It would be a very odd thing to do given that they can’t fill their vacancies. With respect it does seem that suggestion is just a figment of your imagination. Dappy, I don't know what threats we may face. The Chief of the General Staff doesn't know what threats we may face. The very reason we need professional armed forces is because we don't know what tomorrow may bring. The problem with war is the protagonists rarely advertise their intentions in advance. To justify spending a huge amount of limited resources you have to identify a justification for doing so. If that isn’t a requirement you presumably would argue for an asteroid shield and an anti Martian invader force just in case. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 23, 2024 1:11:26 GMT
Don't be ridiculous. If the brass are desperate for recruits they won't turn anyone away. If they are pushing to recruit women and and minorities then it shows there aren't enough white men applying. Are you really this naive? Royal Air Force unlawfully discriminated against white male recruits in bid to boost diversity - link
Monte, it's not a secret. If you're white get to the back of the queue. The whole point is that there is no queue. It’s the complete opposite. They can’t find enough suitable candidates of whatever race or colour. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 1:22:15 GMT
To justify spending a huge amount of limited resources you have to identify a justification for doing so. If that isn’t a requirement you presumably would argue for an asteroid shield and an anti Martian invader force just in case. I accept this 'may' make sense to you, lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 1:28:15 GMT
The whole point is that there is no queue. It’s the complete opposite. They can’t find enough suitable candidates of whatever race or colour. Did you notice the link? Royal Air Force unlawfully discriminated against white male recruits to boost diversity. Just for interest - link - there are others btw  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2024 1:36:07 GMT
You always do it dont you Dappy, when you're on the backfoot you log on and off. You may think it's not noticed, but trust me, it is. Now get your head out of the sand, we can all see your fat arse...
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Post by dappy on Jan 23, 2024 1:39:06 GMT
That’s the RAF - they I believe have more suitable applicants than jobs available and I agree what they did, while seeking to correct historic injustice, simply piled injustice on injustice.
You however were talking about the army where number of vacancies exceeds number of suitable applicants. I believe the Navy has the same issue. Which means of course there is no “queue”. Do you have any evidence to suggest that suitable white males are being turned away from the Army. That feels unlikely.
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